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now astrologers have said for years that

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jupiter influences our lives

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but we now have scientific evidence that

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this mighty planet does have a

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significant connection with our own

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small world

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and jupiter is so different to our

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planet you know a big

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ball of gas half a billion kilometers

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away

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it's difficult to see how it could have

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anything to do with us at all

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but despite the fact that

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astrology is a load of rubbish

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jupiter can in fact have a profound

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influence on our planet and it's through

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a force that

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well surrounds us and penetrates us and

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binds the galaxy together

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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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here are your hosts richard saunders and

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well richard long time no see hey stefan

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hey how are you hey look um thanks for

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the new music to the show we're trying

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it out oh did you like it did you i like

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it a lot i don't know if we will use it

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all the time

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it's good to have a change well i

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thought i'd do a bit of a remix a bit of

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a revamp a bit of electronica yeah yeah

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it's kind of okay you know there's

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thousands of people around the planet

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now have started listening to the zone

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and gone what what the hell's going on

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to their theme song

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hey it's all happening it's show 119

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no way yes way oh that's crazy it's been

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so long since we caught up because of

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course after the big the big ten i've

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i've got i've got post town depression

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that was that was the highlight of my

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entire life was it yeah it was and ever

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since then i've just been down in the

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dumps because this is nothing can match

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it no no no that's terrible don't worry

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there's another tam coming up in las

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vegas oh yeah right as if i'm going to

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make that one but

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yeah hey i might have to try i'm a

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diplomat i'm addicted to tam man it's

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it's it's happening you have to go las

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vegas tam 9 in uh july oh wow no it

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wasn't but it was huge wasn't it it was

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here yes i'm still coming down off it

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but it's been a while since we caught up

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you've been overseas and everything i

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know everyone else knows that but i

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haven't seen you for years yeah it's

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been a while now i had a great time in

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san francisco as the zone listeners

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would know uh interviewing some good

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skeptics over there and having some good

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times back now back into it and you know

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what we've got a pretty interesting show

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coming up one that's going to cause a

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lot of controversy ooh is that right

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who are we attacking this time well

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look to the stars

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and we're going to look at our

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horoscopes this week oh no i thought you

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had to be into a bit of cosmology

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well that too a bit later but we're

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going to kick off maynard's interviewing

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uh a very famous astrologer and she's

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going to put her case for the value and

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worth of of astrology and of course it

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has got a lot of worth i mean it turns

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over billions well that's true

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i guess you can put it that way that's

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right and now a fascinating interview a

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fascinating look into the mind of

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someone who believes in astrology and uh

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the think tank but basically i want

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everybody to have a listen

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think but we'll get to that more a bit

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later yeah be nice well

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out there just lay it lay her cards on

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the lay her tarot cards on the table

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then uh you know i think it's it's all

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fair and square for everyone just to

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kind of chime back in and let us know

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what they think and have a bit of a

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maybe we're gonna put our feet a little

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stars this time we're uh looking at the

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restoration of a very famous telescope

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that got completely trashed in those

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it's an historic telescope it was one of

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the biggest in the world in its day

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the ground but now it's being put back

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it out and everything i did i went to a

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secret location in melbourne and it

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really is a secret location and uh saw

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back the telescope what's with the

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secrecy is is it really delicate work or

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the old think tank coming up we got we

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of a chat around some of the skeptical

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issues of the day and uh somewhere in

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glenn wheeler at a brief discussions

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about psychic predictions ah

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you're becoming a real media hound

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aren't you you're just you're everywhere

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i'm everywhere well i ring them up and

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say why aren't i on no they don't they

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come to me which is very cool you know

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why because they listen to the skeptics

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they do they listen to the skeptic zone

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i think they must me too so let's get

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here's maynard's spooky action

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well the big astrologer flapped the big

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bbc astrologer flap of 2011 has gone up

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i mean you may think that you know ufo

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sightings over the white house were big

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in the 50s that's nothing jessica adams

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is an angry astrologer and you don't

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want them angry jessica adams welcome

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big flap what is your qualifications as

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an astrologer i did a degree you know an

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arts degree as we all did you know in

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tasmania and i did one in in religious

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studies and ancient civilizations which

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was a brilliant grounding for for what i

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philosophy i did a bunch of courses on

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astrology later on but i think that

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grounding somewhere between philosophy

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astrology but you don't just completely

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rely on what you see in the stars and

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the charts or the signs you've got a bit

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of a psychic action going on sometimes

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and you have spirit guides and i've

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interview you it always seems to me a

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spirit guide to the normal person is

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indistinguishable from a an actual

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that i know i'm not saying well i will

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suddenly like a turns up and

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starts talking to you that would be

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really alarming if that happened while i

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was watching tv well if you were

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watching tv i can understand it i don't

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even have a tv it's so negative i love

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it when my guide speaks to me which one

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works best which guy do you normally

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find works best there's an older

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keeps out all the random traffic but i

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work with uh lee and also other guys who

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um the more scientifically grounded

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members of our listeners they are going

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to find that kind of strange because

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that's like wow

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they're familiar with quantum physics

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and the strangeness of quark i mean

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infinite realities and parallel

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universes so why they think that what we

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idea and what has made you so angry with

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the bbc bbc television has recently put

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the national broadcaster here in england

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where i'm speaking to you which

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basically just with no objective

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reasoning or backup or support

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scientifically labels astrology as

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rubbish as boulder dash you know as

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fairy floss and if you've been studying

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it for as long as we have and if there

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are as many millions of people who love

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happen it is because all of them have a

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different different orbital length this

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around in one year and comes back to the

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same spot horoscopes that's all nonsense

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we're happy to say this now once and for

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all that's all rubbish right astrology

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because the planets are in different

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places are different in the interests of

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balance because we're on the bbc i

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should say that indeed dara is right

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astrology is it's not absolutely nothing

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sorry isn't the burden of proof on

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astrology to prove that it does work no

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the burden of proof is on skeptics and

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cynics to give us evidence that would

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dissuade the millions of people who

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believe in it to go the other way the

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usual one that is used is that if people

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believe that a reading is for them you

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could give that reading to anyone and

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they can suit it to themselves that's

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times phil played even mentioned that

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last week what do you think of that

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there is some astrology which is that

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what they call the barnum's effect the

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old sort of victorian circus roll up

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roll up come one come all there is some

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astrology which you see which i would

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classify as bad astrology which is so

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vague and generalized that it could be

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anything to anyone but uh there are

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plenty of good astrologers out there who

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are quite specific now i'm just gonna

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play a grab now from the atheist

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experience and they don't normally deal

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with astrology at all but they are

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skeptics and even they waited on this

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we'll just have a listen to what they

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this isn't news most astrologers use the

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tropical zodiac instead of the societal

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zodiac and it's the sidereal one that's

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been affected by this so it's it doesn't

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affect it not to mention the fact that

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of course this is all nonsense in the

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reporting something that isn't news and

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a bunch of people who have no idea what

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they're talking about spinning it up

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into even more than it is and it's

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particularly ironic because even if it

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did impact something if it did impact

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astrology astrology is such a load of

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horse manure how and why people buy into

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this it's the same reason that they're

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gonna buy into anything else something

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happens oh that couldn't be a

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coincidence and they we are pattern

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seekers as long as as long as they're

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initially convinced that this was

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specifically prepared for them

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even they are confused that this is an

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issue because they're not a fan of

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astrology but they don't know why it's

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suddenly become a flap it's all about

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procession is that correct yeah the

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procession of the equinox explain that

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to us non-astronomer or astrology people

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it's what you would expect that over the

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the millennia since astrology was a

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belief system that the earth has

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slightly tilted each time so that the

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constellations are now in different

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places in position to the sun where they

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were about 2 000 years ago so in old

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school thinking if you were an aquarian

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you are now the sign next along is that

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the case or do you not use that version

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of the zodiac we don't use that version

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we don't use an astronomer's sky we use

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a symbolic system of divination which is

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a symbolic way of thinking which bears

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no relationship to what they see through

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their telescope that's what phil said

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last week he was saying how could

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distant suns and stars have any effect

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on you when you're born and that's what

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you're saying it doesn't actually do

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there is no effect i mean there's a very

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famous criticism of astrology which is

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how could pluto have any greater effect

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on you than the midwife in terms of

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physical contact or closeness to you

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when you're a tiny baby being born the

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midwife has a greater gravitational pull

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on you than pluto but astrologers don't

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even argue that point our argument is

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that it's synchronicity there is a kind

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of weird cosmic conflagration or

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coincidence a kind of poetry and magic

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that connects heaven with earth us with

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that which has nothing to do with

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causation but everything to do

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with the coming together of similar

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events and circumstances because it is

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pretty indistinguishable for magic that

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means it's very difficult to test

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jessica it kind of is and it kind of

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isn't if you subject it to math

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statistical testing it tends to fall

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down but if you're prepared to accept

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that the one

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white sworn argument you know or the one

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blue peacock or the one red peacock

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argument holds court then we have enough

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individual arguments of accuracy

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and quite striking accuracy

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to make you would have you would have

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hoped the average thinking cynic or

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skeptic think so what do you want the

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bbc to do i think they should just give

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open slabber to the other side and to

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stop allowing people to broadcast on

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prime time it's a taxpayer-funded

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television station

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total kind of ignorance abuse of

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something that you really shouldn't be

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abusing unless you're okay with it

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that's my main issue with it you'll

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become a bit of an activist astrologer

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of recent haven't you just like all of

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us i guess i've been doing this since i

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was 20 20 something years old i've been

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drinking 20 years and it's my profession

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i know that people get so much from it

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and i just get slightly annoyed when we

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become kind of target of the month for

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people who don't even really understand

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what we do that's the opposite complete

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argument to what phil plate was saying

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last week he was saying look get the

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astrology out of it because the

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astronomer is what's going on we know

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what's going up there in the heavens the

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astrologers are just making stuff up so

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it's a direct opposite argument yeah i

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think it's the extreme point of

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arrogance to presume that you should be

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able to control a television station or

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any other kind of national broadcast

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program like education in favor of a

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point of view that hasn't really been

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proven i always have an issue with

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criticism of astrology because it's not

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informed they don't actually understand

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what we do they don't know how it works

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they haven't spoken to many of us before

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they come out with his assertions and

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the level of build and bile is just

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extraordinary i think part of the

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problem with the world of astrology is

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that every astrologer is very different

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and has their own way of finding out

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what is going to go on is it right to

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say that completely right to say it and

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it's completely healthy you know we were

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never meant to be compressed into a

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great sausage machine of statistics

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the mystery and the magic miraculous

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quality of astrology is that it's the

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one-off incident the one case just that

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lots of us do plenty of them in the in

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the course of a month's work phil was uh

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so also saying last week

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people make stuff up about the universe

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all the time because i think they want

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to make it more exciting but you don't

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need to once you learn about what's

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really out there and what's really going

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on there is enough wonder and awe and

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majesty out there for anyone

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what do you say to him if i'm making

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stuff up i'd really like to know how

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just taking the last four weeks i

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managed to make predictions about news

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headlines a month before they happened i

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mean i have written novels in my time

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but i wasn't making it up i was using

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astrology how did it happen can he give

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me an explanation for that i mean he

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would say coincidence but coincidence

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synchronicity is the principle on which

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astrology is founded and jessica you've

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got your own podcast too you've got the

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astrology podcast and you've got a

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pretty interesting guy you work with who

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a lot of people who are fans of the

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music industry in the 70s in england

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would know yeah neil spencer was the

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editor of nme in 1977 the year that punk

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broke in england and he was pretty much

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one of the first people to review the

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sex pistols and he's still a music

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writer today but he chose to become an

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astrologer too is it a bit like becoming

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a minister of religion do you actually

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choose choose to be an astrologer or do

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i think everyone gets a calling because

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one day they're looking for an answer

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and they turn to an astrology book or an

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epemerous which is our list of planetary

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positions and they find this answer and

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they you know as all normal human beings

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do they go oh well maybe i don't know

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and then they sign to their amazement

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it's absolutely bang on and that's when

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you become you've got one foot over the

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divide well jessica if people are for

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you or against you where can they find

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you and you can engage them in

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conversation as long as they're polite

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yeah politeness is key good manners

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rules if anybody wants to drop by and

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have a discussion they can go first of

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all to the astrology show on itunes and

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tune in and then we have a blog and a

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website that that you'll hear advertised

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on that the audience you're working out

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here is going man this is just stuff

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that just is just made up it's not right

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it's just it can't be proven by the way

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why can't we prove it why can't we go

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okay these are the winning numbers of

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the lottery this is what's going to

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happen on this day why can't we do that

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because the lottery would collapse and

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nobody wants that to happen when it

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comes to great numbers and math

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statistics about anything astrology

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tends to fail because it was never meant

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to be misused and abused and if it

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worked on a mass level like that

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particularly financially it just

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wouldn't work but when it comes to the

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individual case it can be quite

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spectacular and what has been your most

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spectacular success prediction wise i

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suppose the most useful thing that i

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ever did was put into a book that came

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out a few years ago that anyone who had

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a pension

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should really around the year 2008 start

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looking at where that pension was lodged

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because i could see pluto going into

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capricorn and a big global financial

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problem so i was worried about people's

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pensions so if anybody had a closer look

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at where the super was going around that

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yeah i'm very happy jessica adams thanks

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for talking to us we'll be keeping an

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eye on the on the big astrologer flap

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and i'll give you the last word the last

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message for skeptics out there that

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still are just not convinced about

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astrology at all if you open your mind

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and you try believing see what happens

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give it give it the suspension of

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disbelief for four weeks and report back

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and jessica you've actually got some

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scientific research people can do after

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the show yeah if you're curious about

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the quantum world and the strangeness of

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it but also the beauty and the charm of

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quantum as applied to your life then go

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and check out fred allen wolfe who is at

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fred allenwolf.com he has fascinating

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views on the past the present and the

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future and he uses quantum as a gateway

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to open your mind and open up your

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reality he's taken the logic of that

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many universe theory to the brink and

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applied it to your life which is very

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exciting and i think it's very

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liberating too look one thing i want to

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know tell me try and get into your

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spirit guide right now will will right

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the curve you got

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deeply hot

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hot for the curves you got

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the funny thing is since you asked me

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maynard one of them is going to do very

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well in business nothing to do with

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singing or flexing the muscles or any of

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that or wearing very tight shorts but

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very big in business and it will help

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his home country and many other places

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through europe that's exciting see

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that's why astrology is exciting an

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astronomer will never tell you right

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said incredibly big again

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well in his own way one of them will be

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this is eugenie scott national center

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for science education

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come see us if you want to know anything

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about the creationism and evolution

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conflict in the united states or

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moors the pity internationally these

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days we are a clearinghouse for

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information on this vexing but certainly

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very interesting problem

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one of the many things i like about

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melbourne is they were wise enough to

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keep their tram network

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when a lot of the country didn't

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including sydney got rid of most of

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their trams in fact sydney got rid of

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all of its trams

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one came back recently but it's not the

542
00:20:23,510 --> 00:20:20,720
same thing i'm on one of melbourne's

543
00:20:25,830 --> 00:20:23,520
trams now with dr steve roberts

544
00:20:28,230 --> 00:20:25,840
dr steve we're heading off to see uh

545
00:20:29,990 --> 00:20:28,240
quite a famous telescope it's a great

546
00:20:36,470 --> 00:20:30,000
melbourne telescope richard and the

547
00:20:39,350 --> 00:20:37,909
i think we have to get off here in fact

548
00:20:41,830 --> 00:20:39,360
you can hear the tram in the background

549
00:20:43,430 --> 00:20:41,840
and it's um reasonably quiet just only

550
00:20:45,590 --> 00:20:43,440
the noise of the rails yeah we do get

551
00:20:48,390 --> 00:20:45,600
off here this is our stuff all right

552
00:20:50,470 --> 00:20:48,400
so we'll hop off but i'm quite keen to

553
00:20:53,990 --> 00:20:50,480
uh to see this telescope because i've

554
00:20:55,669 --> 00:20:54,000
been working uh on the newsletter

555
00:21:00,230 --> 00:20:55,679
as you know i think we get off on the

556
00:21:03,830 --> 00:21:01,909
out into the street i've been working on

557
00:21:05,510 --> 00:21:03,840
the newsletter with you for quite uh

558
00:21:06,470 --> 00:21:05,520
what about a year or so now that's why i

559
00:21:08,630 --> 00:21:06,480
do a little newsletter for the

560
00:21:11,830 --> 00:21:08,640
volunteers who are on the project we've

561
00:21:13,190 --> 00:21:11,840
got about 60 volunteers only about 20

562
00:21:14,950 --> 00:21:13,200
are really active

563
00:21:17,430 --> 00:21:14,960
and we go along every week and try and

564
00:21:19,909 --> 00:21:17,440
um repair and maintain the parts of it

565
00:21:21,350 --> 00:21:19,919
and um this is a labor of love isn't it

566
00:21:22,549 --> 00:21:21,360
yeah well if i could go about the

567
00:21:24,549 --> 00:21:22,559
history of the telescope it was the

568
00:21:33,190 --> 00:21:24,559
biggest telescope in the world

569
00:21:37,190 --> 00:21:35,110
i was a big ego trip for the new city of

570
00:21:38,630 --> 00:21:37,200
melbourne which was newly rich from gold

571
00:21:39,909 --> 00:21:38,640
and um to have a

572
00:21:41,029 --> 00:21:39,919
bigger scope of the world and have it in

573
00:21:43,270 --> 00:21:41,039
the southern hemisphere was

574
00:21:45,669 --> 00:21:43,280
astronomically very important

575
00:21:48,470 --> 00:21:45,679
and it's been used ever since then it

576
00:21:50,230 --> 00:21:48,480
was sent to canberra in 1946

577
00:21:52,789 --> 00:21:50,240
and actually did pioneering work in

578
00:21:55,029 --> 00:21:52,799
canberra until 2003

579
00:21:56,470 --> 00:21:55,039
when the mighty bushfire raged across

580
00:21:58,710 --> 00:21:56,480
the act

581
00:22:00,549 --> 00:21:58,720
and the telescope was entirely destroyed

582
00:22:02,549 --> 00:22:00,559
and um the mirror was all shattered and

583
00:22:03,750 --> 00:22:02,559
all the middle parts were bent and

584
00:22:05,750 --> 00:22:03,760
buckled

585
00:22:07,510 --> 00:22:05,760
and um some amateurs now together with

586
00:22:09,750 --> 00:22:07,520
the museum of victoria

587
00:22:11,350 --> 00:22:09,760
have um salvaged the uh

588
00:22:13,270 --> 00:22:11,360
parts of the telescope and we're

589
00:22:14,549 --> 00:22:13,280
repairing them and straightening them

590
00:22:15,990 --> 00:22:14,559
out and

591
00:22:17,190 --> 00:22:16,000
that's the number nine tram that was the

592
00:22:21,350 --> 00:22:17,200
number nine traveler they're just doing

593
00:22:28,310 --> 00:22:23,510
another number nine track yeah it's very

594
00:22:31,669 --> 00:22:30,070
yeah so we're on our way now we're just

595
00:22:33,990 --> 00:22:31,679
at a bus stop by having gotten off the

596
00:22:36,230 --> 00:22:34,000
tram to look at the um the

597
00:22:37,510 --> 00:22:36,240
reconstruction the renovations the

598
00:22:39,590 --> 00:22:37,520
restoration in progress yeah the

599
00:22:41,990 --> 00:22:39,600
restoration yeah you'll see um amateurs

600
00:22:45,110 --> 00:22:42,000
tony away with wire brushes scrubbing

601
00:22:46,789 --> 00:22:45,120
metal parts clean of a bushfire detritus

602
00:22:48,310 --> 00:22:46,799
and making technical drawings of the

603
00:22:50,549 --> 00:22:48,320
parts and um

604
00:22:52,470 --> 00:22:50,559
worrying about the design of new parts

605
00:22:54,470 --> 00:22:52,480
we have to make to the colony parts are

606
00:22:55,990 --> 00:22:54,480
really destroyed all right well we'll

607
00:22:58,070 --> 00:22:56,000
wait for our bus and then we'll head off

608
00:22:59,430 --> 00:22:58,080
and have a good look at this telescope

609
00:23:03,669 --> 00:22:59,440
yeah hopefully it'll be quieter when we

610
00:23:07,669 --> 00:23:05,750
so we have uh we've found ourselves on

611
00:23:08,870 --> 00:23:07,679
the bus now steve we're on a bus yeah

612
00:23:10,149 --> 00:23:08,880
we're on a bus

613
00:23:11,669 --> 00:23:10,159
and you were just telling me about the

614
00:23:13,350 --> 00:23:11,679
um

615
00:23:15,270 --> 00:23:13,360
uh the notable people who are actually

616
00:23:17,669 --> 00:23:15,280
behind this project yeah that's why we

617
00:23:18,950 --> 00:23:17,679
wrote to some augustan famous people and

618
00:23:19,750 --> 00:23:18,960
asked them to

619
00:23:22,230 --> 00:23:19,760
um

620
00:23:24,070 --> 00:23:22,240
to recognize the project to restore the

621
00:23:26,070 --> 00:23:24,080
telescope uh we didn't ask for money we

622
00:23:27,669 --> 00:23:26,080
just said you want we want to

623
00:23:28,710 --> 00:23:27,679
to agree this is a good thing and should

624
00:23:31,029 --> 00:23:28,720
be done

625
00:23:33,270 --> 00:23:31,039
and we've got lots of uh

626
00:23:34,230 --> 00:23:33,280
notable people in the melbourne uh world

627
00:23:36,470 --> 00:23:34,240
to uh

628
00:23:39,110 --> 00:23:36,480
condone the project and um

629
00:23:40,710 --> 00:23:39,120
support it it's best support for it

630
00:23:43,029 --> 00:23:40,720
but this is a joint initiative between

631
00:23:45,190 --> 00:23:43,039
the botanical gardens the museum of

632
00:23:47,110 --> 00:23:45,200
victoria and just the astronomical

633
00:23:49,029 --> 00:23:47,120
society of victoria

634
00:23:50,950 --> 00:23:49,039
and we each put our own

635
00:23:52,710 --> 00:23:50,960
part into the project the botanical

636
00:23:54,789 --> 00:23:52,720
gardens own the building

637
00:23:56,870 --> 00:23:54,799
where the telescope will go

638
00:23:57,669 --> 00:23:56,880
the museum actually over the telescope

639
00:24:00,070 --> 00:23:57,679
um

640
00:24:01,750 --> 00:24:00,080
on behalf of the people of victoria

641
00:24:03,830 --> 00:24:01,760
then the astronomical society have the

642
00:24:05,909 --> 00:24:03,840
skill to restore it and can command

643
00:24:07,750 --> 00:24:05,919
volunteer labor on a large scale the big

644
00:24:09,990 --> 00:24:07,760
thing is that you're telling me it's

645
00:24:12,230 --> 00:24:10,000
really it's the love of volunteers that

646
00:24:13,669 --> 00:24:12,240
are making this all possible and already

647
00:24:15,750 --> 00:24:13,679
the volunteers have put in something

648
00:24:18,630 --> 00:24:15,760
like 4 000 hours or something like that

649
00:24:20,630 --> 00:24:18,640
of their time and effort that's right we

650
00:24:22,870 --> 00:24:20,640
come once a week and work a bit less

651
00:24:23,909 --> 00:24:22,880
than a full day because 10 or 12 people

652
00:24:25,750 --> 00:24:23,919
typically

653
00:24:29,029 --> 00:24:25,760
will work from

654
00:24:32,870 --> 00:24:30,950
doing odd jobs and doing drawings so the

655
00:24:34,470 --> 00:24:32,880
fair bit of work is done out of hours

656
00:24:36,710 --> 00:24:34,480
too i mean i

657
00:24:39,350 --> 00:24:36,720
i work on the database of parts and

658
00:24:41,350 --> 00:24:39,360
sorting out and tidying up the an excel

659
00:24:43,510 --> 00:24:41,360
file and i do nearly all of that at home

660
00:24:44,710 --> 00:24:43,520
not at the museum yeah

661
00:24:46,549 --> 00:24:44,720
there's a guy who does technical

662
00:24:48,390 --> 00:24:46,559
drawings and comes in and measures up he

663
00:24:50,630 --> 00:24:48,400
actually does the drawings at home

664
00:24:52,070 --> 00:24:50,640
he's a retired engineer and there's

665
00:24:53,269 --> 00:24:52,080
something for people in in the

666
00:24:55,510 --> 00:24:53,279
profession

667
00:24:57,669 --> 00:24:55,520
now retired it's a wonderful project for

668
00:24:59,510 --> 00:24:57,679
them i think it's a real hoot to work

669
00:25:02,390 --> 00:24:59,520
with these guys all over 60 and all

670
00:25:04,549 --> 00:25:02,400
retired but they're all mighty engineers

671
00:25:06,470 --> 00:25:04,559
in their time and it's a real privilege

672
00:25:09,269 --> 00:25:06,480
to associate with these people who've

673
00:25:11,269 --> 00:25:09,279
got vast experience and have done all

674
00:25:12,390 --> 00:25:11,279
sorts of bizarre things in engineering

675
00:25:13,830 --> 00:25:12,400
that's uh

676
00:25:15,830 --> 00:25:13,840
really quite interesting you've really

677
00:25:17,510 --> 00:25:15,840
wetted my appetite and uh we're bumping

678
00:25:19,990 --> 00:25:17,520
along on this bus here we're getting

679
00:25:26,230 --> 00:25:20,000
before the telescope yeah getting close

680
00:25:30,470 --> 00:25:28,390
now we've actually entered the

681
00:25:31,990 --> 00:25:30,480
secret location of this telescope

682
00:25:34,630 --> 00:25:32,000
restoration now we've come through

683
00:25:35,750 --> 00:25:34,640
security walking down this long hall

684
00:25:37,990 --> 00:25:35,760
looks like something ought to get

685
00:25:40,549 --> 00:25:38,000
smarter must they must say through these

686
00:25:46,470 --> 00:25:43,909
into a giant hanger type

687
00:25:47,909 --> 00:25:46,480
room oh i see we have to wear a vest in

688
00:25:50,070 --> 00:25:47,919
case you get mistaken for the exhibit

689
00:25:51,750 --> 00:25:50,080
and put in a glass place so

690
00:25:53,669 --> 00:25:51,760
are these vests belong to anybody or can

691
00:25:57,510 --> 00:25:53,679
i just want to have one large if

692
00:26:00,310 --> 00:25:57,520
possible large if possible

693
00:26:02,230 --> 00:26:00,320
put on a safety vest now yeah

694
00:26:04,230 --> 00:26:02,240
okay

695
00:26:06,630 --> 00:26:04,240
so let's keep walking back

696
00:26:08,710 --> 00:26:06,640
passing all sorts of uh

697
00:26:11,430 --> 00:26:08,720
priceless looking priceless exhibits

698
00:26:13,430 --> 00:26:11,440
here and paintings and things

699
00:26:15,190 --> 00:26:13,440
uh old

700
00:26:16,390 --> 00:26:15,200
dinosaur footprints look at that on the

701
00:26:19,190 --> 00:26:16,400
wall there

702
00:26:21,269 --> 00:26:19,200
fascinating old engines here an old

703
00:26:23,830 --> 00:26:21,279
sewing machine

704
00:26:24,630 --> 00:26:23,840
so some treasures here from victoria's

705
00:26:27,029 --> 00:26:24,640
park

706
00:26:28,710 --> 00:26:27,039
a display of dinosaurs hatching from

707
00:26:32,390 --> 00:26:28,720
eggs steve what place have you brought

708
00:26:34,789 --> 00:26:32,400
me to yeah look at that looks stunning

709
00:26:39,029 --> 00:26:34,799
rufus the duck whatever rufus the duck

710
00:26:40,870 --> 00:26:39,039
is okay we had the original

711
00:26:43,510 --> 00:26:40,880
here oh really

712
00:26:44,870 --> 00:26:43,520
it's gone now um well i it's hard to

713
00:26:46,149 --> 00:26:44,880
describe what i'm looking at here it's

714
00:26:48,870 --> 00:26:46,159
just giant

715
00:26:51,350 --> 00:26:48,880
rows and shelves of

716
00:26:53,269 --> 00:26:51,360
priceless memorabilia here they're all

717
00:26:55,269 --> 00:26:53,279
probably the people of victoria under

718
00:26:57,510 --> 00:26:55,279
the custody of the museum

719
00:26:59,669 --> 00:26:57,520
from the museum fascinating

720
00:27:01,350 --> 00:26:59,679
now we've uh entered the what is this

721
00:27:03,909 --> 00:27:01,360
the sort of the meeting area the working

722
00:27:05,430 --> 00:27:03,919
area working project yeah we've got some

723
00:27:08,230 --> 00:27:05,440
uh gentlemen there's some scientists

724
00:27:10,149 --> 00:27:08,240
busily looking at their um models and

725
00:27:11,590 --> 00:27:10,159
paper and drawings and stuff and steve

726
00:27:14,390 --> 00:27:11,600
you're just showing me this folder here

727
00:27:16,630 --> 00:27:14,400
it's full of um yeah amazing

728
00:27:18,789 --> 00:27:16,640
number of technical drawings over this

729
00:27:21,029 --> 00:27:18,799
telescope every part of the telescope is

730
00:27:23,190 --> 00:27:21,039
about 600 has been uniquely identified

731
00:27:25,110 --> 00:27:23,200
and given a number otherwise we're going

732
00:27:28,310 --> 00:27:25,120
saying with long descriptions in words

733
00:27:29,909 --> 00:27:28,320
so this is item number 216.216.

734
00:27:31,669 --> 00:27:29,919
and what is that this is it's like a

735
00:27:33,590 --> 00:27:31,679
short fat um

736
00:27:36,149 --> 00:27:33,600
metal boss and the

737
00:27:39,029 --> 00:27:36,159
end of the telescope axis is pivoted in

738
00:27:41,110 --> 00:27:39,039
this boss it is attached inside a yeah a

739
00:27:43,110 --> 00:27:41,120
large heavy part called the cube and the

740
00:27:45,590 --> 00:27:43,120
telescope effectively pivots in this

741
00:27:47,990 --> 00:27:45,600
hole here on the boss right it's a it's

742
00:27:49,830 --> 00:27:48,000
a very heavy metal part and we've drawn

743
00:27:51,590 --> 00:27:49,840
it here we have a technical drawing here

744
00:27:53,110 --> 00:27:51,600
it's beautiful with completely accurate

745
00:27:54,710 --> 00:27:53,120
measurements and it's such that i mean

746
00:27:56,710 --> 00:27:54,720
the pot already exists but if it didn't

747
00:27:59,430 --> 00:27:56,720
exist it could be recreated we can

748
00:28:00,470 --> 00:27:59,440
recreate it from that drawing alone yes

749
00:28:02,149 --> 00:28:00,480
and the telescope's already been

750
00:28:03,669 --> 00:28:02,159
destroyed once and the drawings were

751
00:28:05,990 --> 00:28:03,679
destroyed in another bushfire the

752
00:28:07,350 --> 00:28:06,000
original drawing so you have to recreate

753
00:28:09,909 --> 00:28:07,360
all those

754
00:28:11,990 --> 00:28:09,919
so in theory someone someone could be

755
00:28:14,149 --> 00:28:12,000
given all these and said and said build

756
00:28:15,750 --> 00:28:14,159
the telescope oh yeah and many of these

757
00:28:17,190 --> 00:28:15,760
um

758
00:28:19,269 --> 00:28:17,200
some of these parts actually don't exist

759
00:28:21,110 --> 00:28:19,279
for example um

760
00:28:22,149 --> 00:28:21,120
so uh

761
00:28:24,149 --> 00:28:22,159
we've

762
00:28:27,269 --> 00:28:24,159
recovered them from photographs and uh

763
00:28:29,110 --> 00:28:27,279
yeah and from deductions um

764
00:28:31,750 --> 00:28:29,120
all the parts are so badly damaged that

765
00:28:33,190 --> 00:28:31,760
they can't really be

766
00:28:35,269 --> 00:28:33,200
remade

767
00:28:37,430 --> 00:28:35,279
now to give our listeners an idea of the

768
00:28:39,590 --> 00:28:37,440
scale and i'm i'm just looking over your

769
00:28:41,669 --> 00:28:39,600
shoulder now to a beautiful picture of

770
00:28:43,909 --> 00:28:41,679
how the telescope once looked what what

771
00:28:47,029 --> 00:28:43,919
else are we looking at here um this is a

772
00:28:48,389 --> 00:28:47,039
picture taken in april 1880 of the

773
00:28:49,909 --> 00:28:48,399
original telescope in its original

774
00:28:51,510 --> 00:28:49,919
working position in the botanical

775
00:28:53,510 --> 00:28:51,520
gardens and that's part of the roll-off

776
00:28:55,430 --> 00:28:53,520
roof of the shed there yeah there's a

777
00:28:56,549 --> 00:28:55,440
astronomer standing there well there's a

778
00:28:58,789 --> 00:28:56,559
giving me a bit of a scale there's

779
00:29:00,549 --> 00:28:58,799
somebody standing next to it now so

780
00:29:02,389 --> 00:29:00,559
from from the end of the barrel here to

781
00:29:05,510 --> 00:29:02,399
the to this system it's about 30 feet

782
00:29:06,950 --> 00:29:05,520
long and maybe 30 feet up right uh i

783
00:29:08,789 --> 00:29:06,960
didn't think it imperial units when i'm

784
00:29:10,549 --> 00:29:08,799
on there that's okay he was made an

785
00:29:12,070 --> 00:29:10,559
imperial i think our listeners faults

786
00:29:13,510 --> 00:29:12,080
all inches

787
00:29:14,710 --> 00:29:13,520
should be able to grasp an idea though

788
00:29:15,750 --> 00:29:14,720
it's a beautiful looking telescope

789
00:29:17,909 --> 00:29:15,760
because it's got this interesting

790
00:29:19,190 --> 00:29:17,919
crisscross of lattice sort of yeah on

791
00:29:20,789 --> 00:29:19,200
the second part of that that was a

792
00:29:22,470 --> 00:29:20,799
pioneering design to save weight it

793
00:29:24,389 --> 00:29:22,480
hadn't really been done before yeah this

794
00:29:25,350 --> 00:29:24,399
is a boilerplate tube it's very very

795
00:29:27,029 --> 00:29:25,360
heavy

796
00:29:28,630 --> 00:29:27,039
if you go all the way along with human

797
00:29:31,029 --> 00:29:28,640
boilerplate it'll weigh you know five

798
00:29:32,950 --> 00:29:31,039
tons this is a better drawing here and

799
00:29:35,510 --> 00:29:32,960
most of the telescope is in fact is this

800
00:29:37,110 --> 00:29:35,520
very lightweight lattice yeah with uh a

801
00:29:39,269 --> 00:29:37,120
mirror at this end it's right here to

802
00:29:40,870 --> 00:29:39,279
support the mirror at the top and the

803
00:29:42,630 --> 00:29:40,880
the light comes in down the tube hits

804
00:29:44,070 --> 00:29:42,640
the mirror at the back and it's

805
00:29:45,990 --> 00:29:44,080
reflected back up at the top of the tube

806
00:29:47,669 --> 00:29:46,000
it's just smaller at the front and then

807
00:29:48,870 --> 00:29:47,679
how they bounce it back down to the

808
00:29:50,149 --> 00:29:48,880
element of the tube where there's an

809
00:29:51,350 --> 00:29:50,159
eyepiece and there's

810
00:29:52,870 --> 00:29:51,360
the five meters

811
00:29:58,470 --> 00:29:52,880
oh yes there's a little piece there i

812
00:30:02,149 --> 00:29:59,909
has a big hole in the middle is it

813
00:30:04,149 --> 00:30:02,159
inverted for looking through um yes it

814
00:30:05,669 --> 00:30:04,159
is but um you get used to that you get

815
00:30:07,590 --> 00:30:05,679
used to that doesn't really matter and

816
00:30:09,750 --> 00:30:07,600
you see it's all driven by hand crank

817
00:30:12,310 --> 00:30:09,760
wheels and great big gear wheels oh yeah

818
00:30:13,909 --> 00:30:12,320
it's all 1868 technology cast iron

819
00:30:15,990 --> 00:30:13,919
pieces it's good that there's this

820
00:30:17,830 --> 00:30:16,000
photograph exists at all isn't it yeah

821
00:30:19,510 --> 00:30:17,840
well we're desperate and we poured over

822
00:30:21,510 --> 00:30:19,520
this photograph for hours and hours and

823
00:30:23,350 --> 00:30:21,520
hours and

824
00:30:25,909 --> 00:30:23,360
steve over there has identified many

825
00:30:27,909 --> 00:30:25,919
missing parts like this athlete is here

826
00:30:30,310 --> 00:30:27,919
it's entirely missing

827
00:30:31,669 --> 00:30:30,320
so when we say the the

828
00:30:33,190 --> 00:30:31,679
construction of the reconstruction and

829
00:30:35,510 --> 00:30:33,200
telescope we'll not just talk about this

830
00:30:37,990 --> 00:30:35,520
bit but all this bit all these these

831
00:30:40,149 --> 00:30:38,000
counterweights and these gears

832
00:30:42,710 --> 00:30:40,159
stand in the piers mountain on oh here

833
00:30:43,590 --> 00:30:42,720
we go the the the structure surrounding

834
00:30:45,430 --> 00:30:43,600
it

835
00:30:47,110 --> 00:30:45,440
we've got a chains coming down for other

836
00:30:52,789 --> 00:30:47,120
gears and pulleys and lights and things

837
00:30:55,990 --> 00:30:54,230
there's a few missing parts but luckily

838
00:30:57,990 --> 00:30:56,000
they're all the small parts that can

839
00:31:00,470 --> 00:30:58,000
easily be remade or

840
00:31:01,990 --> 00:31:00,480
deduced and and substituted but the the

841
00:31:03,909 --> 00:31:02,000
major parts all with us we've got like

842
00:31:06,070 --> 00:31:03,919
90 percent of

843
00:31:08,549 --> 00:31:06,080
the parts in existence uh here in the

844
00:31:10,149 --> 00:31:08,559
museum

845
00:31:12,870 --> 00:31:10,159
and uh we're making our way through the

846
00:31:14,950 --> 00:31:12,880
storeroom once again this giant room and

847
00:31:16,230 --> 00:31:14,960
the most extraordinary things up there

848
00:31:17,669 --> 00:31:16,240
in the ceiling it's like an

849
00:31:20,070 --> 00:31:17,679
old-fashioned

850
00:31:22,710 --> 00:31:20,080
flying machine made out of silk

851
00:31:24,789 --> 00:31:22,720
i think and cloth or whatever it is does

852
00:31:27,029 --> 00:31:24,799
it fly does it fly do you think it would

853
00:31:29,430 --> 00:31:27,039
fly with the phone once yeah this is all

854
00:31:31,510 --> 00:31:29,440
stuff the museum possesses on behalf of

855
00:31:33,350 --> 00:31:31,520
the people of victoria it's fascinating

856
00:31:34,789 --> 00:31:33,360
old fighter can't exhibit right now for

857
00:31:36,789 --> 00:31:34,799
some reason

858
00:31:39,029 --> 00:31:36,799
that's a genuine fighter isn't it yeah

859
00:31:42,389 --> 00:31:39,039
fighter wow the wind's just taking off

860
00:31:44,830 --> 00:31:42,399
um oh there's the wings over there

861
00:31:47,110 --> 00:31:44,840
yeah okay let's go through

862
00:31:49,190 --> 00:31:47,120
this slamming door

863
00:31:51,110 --> 00:31:49,200
through here

864
00:31:53,590 --> 00:31:51,120
oh now that smells like a

865
00:31:54,789 --> 00:31:53,600
workshop this is the loading

866
00:31:56,710 --> 00:31:54,799
work going on here these are all

867
00:31:58,310 --> 00:31:56,720
volunteers of the project

868
00:31:59,990 --> 00:31:58,320
so this is

869
00:32:01,990 --> 00:32:00,000
this is it this is the telescope around

870
00:32:03,110 --> 00:32:02,000
us um many of the bits here any of the

871
00:32:04,710 --> 00:32:03,120
bits

872
00:32:06,149 --> 00:32:04,720
wow

873
00:32:07,430 --> 00:32:06,159
all of this clutter here yeah this

874
00:32:09,590 --> 00:32:07,440
telescope

875
00:32:11,669 --> 00:32:09,600
and this row along here at the front the

876
00:32:14,310 --> 00:32:11,679
parts all the parts of this telescope

877
00:32:15,750 --> 00:32:14,320
are all laid out here i'm gonna hold

878
00:32:17,750 --> 00:32:15,760
this corner here

879
00:32:19,350 --> 00:32:17,760
all the stuff is telescope oh the there

880
00:32:21,190 --> 00:32:19,360
it is there's the lattice over there i

881
00:32:22,630 --> 00:32:21,200
was describing earlier the actual bit

882
00:32:24,230 --> 00:32:22,640
the actual lattice tune there's the

883
00:32:25,350 --> 00:32:24,240
quadro there these these things all have

884
00:32:30,310 --> 00:32:25,360
names

885
00:32:35,190 --> 00:32:32,710
and there's even a photograph over here

886
00:32:37,190 --> 00:32:35,200
on the leaning against the wall of when

887
00:32:39,029 --> 00:32:37,200
it was being constructed originally yeah

888
00:32:40,350 --> 00:32:39,039
with cranes and all sorts of people

889
00:32:43,669 --> 00:32:40,360
irish

890
00:32:44,950 --> 00:32:43,679
navies um this is a priceless photograph

891
00:32:46,549 --> 00:32:44,960
it must be for you because you can see

892
00:32:48,389 --> 00:32:46,559
the underside here a bit more

893
00:32:49,990 --> 00:32:48,399
you can see the mechanisms in there

894
00:32:51,990 --> 00:32:50,000
let's make something here which is which

895
00:32:54,149 --> 00:32:52,000
is lost we have to replace that i know

896
00:32:56,470 --> 00:32:54,159
sorry we have about half of it in but

897
00:32:57,590 --> 00:32:56,480
it's broken and i've got a giant blow up

898
00:32:59,269 --> 00:32:57,600
here of the picture i was looking at

899
00:33:01,909 --> 00:32:59,279
before the classic picture of the

900
00:33:03,990 --> 00:33:01,919
telescope in operation oh i see this is

901
00:33:05,830 --> 00:33:04,000
actually a window isn't it

902
00:33:07,750 --> 00:33:05,840
showing the roller mechanism that uh

903
00:33:09,750 --> 00:33:07,760
takes the weight of the telescope which

904
00:33:11,430 --> 00:33:09,760
is this thing here right there it is

905
00:33:13,590 --> 00:33:11,440
actually on the floor before us this was

906
00:33:15,269 --> 00:33:13,600
a pioneering invention in its day hasn't

907
00:33:16,389 --> 00:33:15,279
really been copied since but i mean how

908
00:33:17,830 --> 00:33:16,399
do you

909
00:33:20,230 --> 00:33:17,840
the whole telescope weighs about eight

910
00:33:22,710 --> 00:33:20,240
tons when it's assembled so

911
00:33:24,789 --> 00:33:22,720
how do you pivot that on a bearing so

912
00:33:26,470 --> 00:33:24,799
you can slosh it around and point it at

913
00:33:28,950 --> 00:33:26,480
any point of the sky they were quite

914
00:33:30,070 --> 00:33:28,960
clever back then weren't they

915
00:33:31,350 --> 00:33:30,080
yeah

916
00:33:33,350 --> 00:33:31,360
it's a

917
00:33:35,909 --> 00:33:33,360
pioneering day it was 50 years before

918
00:33:37,430 --> 00:33:35,919
the titanic

919
00:33:40,870 --> 00:33:37,440
20 years after the great eastern was

920
00:33:44,710 --> 00:33:43,190
yeah and that is next to it

921
00:33:46,710 --> 00:33:44,720
that's the boilerplate right that part

922
00:33:48,470 --> 00:33:46,720
of the tube well i must say they look

923
00:33:50,310 --> 00:33:48,480
they're wonderful things but they are

924
00:33:52,389 --> 00:33:50,320
looking their age aren't they yeah yeah

925
00:33:54,070 --> 00:33:52,399
well a bit of a bit of a

926
00:33:55,430 --> 00:33:54,080
scrubbing with a wi-fi

927
00:33:57,509 --> 00:33:55,440
a bit of a lick with a wet cloth and

928
00:33:59,269 --> 00:33:57,519
look a lot better now the paint you see

929
00:34:01,190 --> 00:33:59,279
the lattice stream half of it's missing

930
00:34:03,190 --> 00:34:01,200
the bit we have here is much shorter oh

931
00:34:05,350 --> 00:34:03,200
yeah it was supposed to have where is it

932
00:34:06,710 --> 00:34:05,360
well we don't know it's destroyed the

933
00:34:08,629 --> 00:34:06,720
other half so we're going to recreate

934
00:34:10,310 --> 00:34:08,639
we've got to recreate lift somewhere and

935
00:34:11,990 --> 00:34:10,320
i don't know it's gone anyway so we have

936
00:34:14,069 --> 00:34:12,000
to recreate half of that as two but

937
00:34:15,669 --> 00:34:14,079
that's a fairly trivial job which is all

938
00:34:17,750 --> 00:34:15,679
made of metal strips yeah and you just

939
00:34:19,430 --> 00:34:17,760
yes measure up they are tapered but we

940
00:34:21,430 --> 00:34:19,440
measure up we have the photographs and

941
00:34:22,710 --> 00:34:21,440
we just set to and have them all in

942
00:34:25,750 --> 00:34:22,720
place and for

943
00:34:28,069 --> 00:34:25,760
sort of like um 10 grand in cost we can

944
00:34:30,790 --> 00:34:28,079
replace the part of it well i wish you

945
00:34:32,790 --> 00:34:30,800
could see this uh yeah the secret store

946
00:34:34,470 --> 00:34:32,800
room uh listeners

947
00:34:36,790 --> 00:34:34,480
duck around under here

948
00:34:38,629 --> 00:34:36,800
being careful where our step

949
00:34:41,109 --> 00:34:38,639
more telescope parts how many parts did

950
00:34:42,710 --> 00:34:41,119
you say are there anything about 600 but

951
00:34:44,069 --> 00:34:42,720
we've got a slight problem

952
00:34:47,030 --> 00:34:44,079
these parts here are clearly not from

953
00:34:48,629 --> 00:34:47,040
1868 there from about 1950 oh yes and

954
00:34:50,230 --> 00:34:48,639
they were added by engineers at mount

955
00:34:53,030 --> 00:34:50,240
stromlo and the telescope was that mount

956
00:34:54,710 --> 00:34:53,040
stromlo uh it was modified heavily

957
00:34:56,230 --> 00:34:54,720
really and in restoring it we ought to

958
00:34:59,430 --> 00:34:56,240
get rid of the modifications and bring

959
00:35:01,990 --> 00:34:59,440
it back to its original yes a68 form but

960
00:35:03,589 --> 00:35:02,000
but but however having hidden motors and

961
00:35:05,670 --> 00:35:03,599
hidden bearings

962
00:35:07,589 --> 00:35:05,680
which will make it safe in modern terms

963
00:35:09,510 --> 00:35:07,599
for engineering and make it computer

964
00:35:11,030 --> 00:35:09,520
controllable well that's fair enough

965
00:35:12,150 --> 00:35:11,040
yeah so we have to get rid of that motor

966
00:35:13,750 --> 00:35:12,160
but there has to be another motor that's

967
00:35:15,910 --> 00:35:13,760
replacing it somewhere

968
00:35:18,790 --> 00:35:15,920
these are the bearings here yes just on

969
00:35:20,310 --> 00:35:18,800
a pallet on the other side of us yeah

970
00:35:22,390 --> 00:35:20,320
the the bearing on the top there has an

971
00:35:24,390 --> 00:35:22,400
interesting story it's been ruined by

972
00:35:26,069 --> 00:35:24,400
being in the bush fire yeah and we wrote

973
00:35:27,990 --> 00:35:26,079
to the manufacturers and said do you

974
00:35:29,670 --> 00:35:28,000
still make a bearing like this it's 24

975
00:35:31,270 --> 00:35:29,680
inches across and one and three inches

976
00:35:32,550 --> 00:35:31,280
thick or something in inches

977
00:35:35,430 --> 00:35:32,560
they said well we used to make that we

978
00:35:37,589 --> 00:35:35,440
don't anymore and we've got one left

979
00:35:39,829 --> 00:35:37,599
and we'll keep that for you but you know

980
00:35:41,589 --> 00:35:39,839
we've only got one left and you better

981
00:35:43,910 --> 00:35:41,599
buy it soon or we'll send it to somebody

982
00:35:46,630 --> 00:35:43,920
else so in a big flap to get our hands

983
00:35:48,630 --> 00:35:46,640
on this one remaining bearing to

984
00:35:50,630 --> 00:35:48,640
to do without it means redesigning the

985
00:35:53,030 --> 00:35:50,640
huge area of the telescope

986
00:35:56,069 --> 00:35:53,040
well this is uh

987
00:35:57,349 --> 00:35:56,079
i mean i'm sure a lot of our listeners

988
00:35:59,190 --> 00:35:57,359
just

989
00:36:01,109 --> 00:35:59,200
you can't imagine what it's like here

990
00:36:03,589 --> 00:36:01,119
i'm sure a lot of our listeners would

991
00:36:06,150 --> 00:36:03,599
love to be here surrounded by

992
00:36:08,630 --> 00:36:06,160
bits of wonderful victorian

993
00:36:11,589 --> 00:36:08,640
engineering right left and center all

994
00:36:12,630 --> 00:36:11,599
disassembled all on pallets on the floor

995
00:36:15,190 --> 00:36:12,640
numbered

996
00:36:16,950 --> 00:36:15,200
and slowly but surely

997
00:36:19,030 --> 00:36:16,960
being restored

998
00:36:21,510 --> 00:36:19,040
and we look forward to the day when this

999
00:36:23,510 --> 00:36:21,520
beautiful telescope will one day be a

1000
00:36:25,109 --> 00:36:23,520
pride of place yeah thank you very much

1001
00:36:26,630 --> 00:36:25,119
and i'm glad to show this to you

1002
00:36:28,150 --> 00:36:26,640
richards uh

1003
00:36:29,750 --> 00:36:28,160
budget will take some years to finish

1004
00:36:32,310 --> 00:36:29,760
but in the end the telescope should be

1005
00:36:34,790 --> 00:36:32,320
restored to heritage standards and be

1006
00:36:37,190 --> 00:36:34,800
usable by the public and it'll be

1007
00:36:38,630 --> 00:36:37,200
remotely used all by schools and so on

1008
00:36:40,950 --> 00:36:38,640
and uh other people in the northern

1009
00:36:43,270 --> 00:36:40,960
hemisphere and it'll be a we're hoping

1010
00:36:45,750 --> 00:36:43,280
we're hoping it'll again become a major

1011
00:36:53,750 --> 00:36:45,760
tourist attraction of melbourne it was

1012
00:37:00,550 --> 00:36:58,230
to find out more visit http colon slash

1013
00:37:01,310 --> 00:37:00,560
great melbourne telescope

1014
00:37:15,589 --> 00:37:01,320
dot

1015
00:37:20,870 --> 00:37:18,550
hi everyone this is andy kaiser

1016
00:37:23,030 --> 00:37:20,880
richard saunders was nice enough to let

1017
00:37:25,510 --> 00:37:23,040
me interrupt the skeptic zone to tell

1018
00:37:28,870 --> 00:37:25,520
you about another gust of wind in the

1019
00:37:31,589 --> 00:37:28,880
maelstrom of worldwide critical thought

1020
00:37:33,829 --> 00:37:31,599
digitalbits skeptic is a podcast

1021
00:37:36,630 --> 00:37:33,839
dedicated to skepticism and critical

1022
00:37:39,510 --> 00:37:36,640
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1023
00:37:42,310 --> 00:37:39,520
religion and credulous pop culture

1024
00:37:44,950 --> 00:37:42,320
i myself write a few articles but most

1025
00:37:46,710 --> 00:37:44,960
are written by everyone else and they're

1026
00:37:49,109 --> 00:37:46,720
paid for that effort

1027
00:37:51,190 --> 00:37:49,119
if you're an expert in your field if you

1028
00:37:53,270 --> 00:37:51,200
need a forum or if you want to make an

1029
00:37:56,150 --> 00:37:53,280
impact on not just the skeptical

1030
00:37:57,829 --> 00:37:56,160
community but the world at large i'd

1031
00:37:59,990 --> 00:37:57,839
like to talk to you

1032
00:38:02,710 --> 00:38:00,000
or if you just like to listen to a

1033
00:38:06,230 --> 00:38:02,720
quality skeptical minded podcast that's

1034
00:38:19,589 --> 00:38:06,240
great too find digitalbit skeptic at

1035
00:38:24,069 --> 00:38:22,550
every year on or around new year's

1036
00:38:25,670 --> 00:38:24,079
day in fact or new year's eve they're

1037
00:38:27,270 --> 00:38:25,680
about to get the fortune tellers or the

1038
00:38:28,550 --> 00:38:27,280
clairvoyants or the psychics or whatever

1039
00:38:30,790 --> 00:38:28,560
they call themselves who come out with

1040
00:38:32,470 --> 00:38:30,800
their list of predictions now my

1041
00:38:35,109 --> 00:38:32,480
question is if you believe in all that

1042
00:38:37,030 --> 00:38:35,119
stuff and these people are not simply

1043
00:38:39,030 --> 00:38:37,040
making massive generalizations year

1044
00:38:40,790 --> 00:38:39,040
after year after year then why is it

1045
00:38:42,310 --> 00:38:40,800
that none of them to my knowledge

1046
00:38:44,230 --> 00:38:42,320
predicted that queensland would be

1047
00:38:46,470 --> 00:38:44,240
devastated by flood waters in the first

1048
00:38:47,910 --> 00:38:46,480
two weeks of the new year

1049
00:38:49,670 --> 00:38:47,920
why is it that they only come out and

1050
00:38:51,750 --> 00:38:49,680
beat their chess when they supposedly

1051
00:38:53,750 --> 00:38:51,760
get a prediction right i mean how could

1052
00:38:55,990 --> 00:38:53,760
all of these people who can supposedly

1053
00:38:57,750 --> 00:38:56,000
see things and predict things how could

1054
00:38:59,190 --> 00:38:57,760
they have not seen the wall of water and

1055
00:39:00,630 --> 00:38:59,200
devastation that was about to swamp and

1056
00:39:01,990 --> 00:39:00,640
all the neighbors up in queensland

1057
00:39:04,550 --> 00:39:02,000
richard saunders from the australian

1058
00:39:06,310 --> 00:39:04,560
skeptics joins us g'day richard good day

1059
00:39:08,550 --> 00:39:06,320
glenn happy new year and to you mate all

1060
00:39:10,710 --> 00:39:08,560
the best to you am i being too harsh

1061
00:39:12,950 --> 00:39:10,720
yeah no i think you're being generous i

1062
00:39:15,030 --> 00:39:12,960
think the amount of air time that people

1063
00:39:17,829 --> 00:39:15,040
who call themselves psychics or fortune

1064
00:39:21,109 --> 00:39:17,839
tellers have received over the years on

1065
00:39:23,990 --> 00:39:21,119
australian television and radio um wow

1066
00:39:25,670 --> 00:39:24,000
if i could have a a hundredth of that

1067
00:39:28,470 --> 00:39:25,680
time i would be doing well for the rest

1068
00:39:30,230 --> 00:39:28,480
of my life i think so you know generally

1069
00:39:32,069 --> 00:39:30,240
speaking and we've discussed this before

1070
00:39:34,470 --> 00:39:32,079
when you've joined me here in the studio

1071
00:39:36,150 --> 00:39:34,480
generally speaking it's it's very much a

1072
00:39:38,069 --> 00:39:36,160
general prediction that they tend to do

1073
00:39:39,510 --> 00:39:38,079
year in and year out yeah well the tree

1074
00:39:41,349 --> 00:39:39,520
here's the trick

1075
00:39:43,349 --> 00:39:41,359
i'll tell all your listeners the huge

1076
00:39:46,310 --> 00:39:43,359
secret behind all this this game is you

1077
00:39:47,670 --> 00:39:46,320
make lots of predictions some specific

1078
00:39:50,470 --> 00:39:47,680
most general

1079
00:39:52,710 --> 00:39:50,480
year after year after year some of those

1080
00:39:54,470 --> 00:39:52,720
are bound to come true

1081
00:39:56,150 --> 00:39:54,480
you can't help yourself some predictions

1082
00:39:58,230 --> 00:39:56,160
you make if you make enough of them will

1083
00:40:00,630 --> 00:39:58,240
come true and those are the ones you

1084
00:40:02,950 --> 00:40:00,640
dine out on for years and say look how

1085
00:40:04,150 --> 00:40:02,960
great the powerful predictor i am now we

1086
00:40:05,750 --> 00:40:04,160
did a

1087
00:40:08,310 --> 00:40:05,760
look at the predictions that they made

1088
00:40:10,630 --> 00:40:08,320
for last year we tracked them carefully

1089
00:40:13,190 --> 00:40:10,640
throughout the year and in the official

1090
00:40:16,310 --> 00:40:13,200
australian psychics directory magazine

1091
00:40:17,829 --> 00:40:16,320
predictions for 2010 they scored and

1092
00:40:19,750 --> 00:40:17,839
we're being generous here they scored a

1093
00:40:22,069 --> 00:40:19,760
grand total of

1094
00:40:25,510 --> 00:40:22,079
seven percent right in other words they

1095
00:40:27,030 --> 00:40:25,520
were wrong 93 of the time but you don't

1096
00:40:28,630 --> 00:40:27,040
hear about those you'll hear about the

1097
00:40:31,990 --> 00:40:28,640
very few ones they

1098
00:40:34,150 --> 00:40:32,000
basically stumbled and got right yeah so

1099
00:40:36,950 --> 00:40:34,160
you know to come back to the devastation

1100
00:40:39,829 --> 00:40:36,960
in queensland for something to happen so

1101
00:40:41,030 --> 00:40:39,839
early in the new year literally just

1102
00:40:42,870 --> 00:40:41,040
around the corner after they've gazed

1103
00:40:44,390 --> 00:40:42,880
into their crystal crystal balls or uh

1104
00:40:45,829 --> 00:40:44,400
throwing the tarot cards on the table or

1105
00:40:47,030 --> 00:40:45,839
however they do it you would have

1106
00:40:48,550 --> 00:40:47,040
thought that somewhere on the line

1107
00:40:49,750 --> 00:40:48,560
somebody would have uh you know if

1108
00:40:51,910 --> 00:40:49,760
they're half decent they would have said

1109
00:40:53,750 --> 00:40:51,920
you know there's this massive wall of

1110
00:40:55,109 --> 00:40:53,760
water that's going to swamp queensland

1111
00:40:56,710 --> 00:40:55,119
and there's going to be devastation

1112
00:40:59,190 --> 00:40:56,720
there's going to be property loss lives

1113
00:41:00,630 --> 00:40:59,200
lost but nothing from anybody well it

1114
00:41:02,790 --> 00:41:00,640
would have been handy if they were that

1115
00:41:04,950 --> 00:41:02,800
specific but somebody

1116
00:41:07,829 --> 00:41:04,960
for this year did predict

1117
00:41:10,230 --> 00:41:07,839
and i quote major flooding will occur

1118
00:41:12,870 --> 00:41:10,240
for the eastern seaboard seaboard of

1119
00:41:14,950 --> 00:41:12,880
australia now you might think oh

1120
00:41:17,190 --> 00:41:14,960
wow they got it they they predicted the

1121
00:41:19,270 --> 00:41:17,200
floods in queensland no no no all they

1122
00:41:21,670 --> 00:41:19,280
said was major flooding will occur for

1123
00:41:23,270 --> 00:41:21,680
the eastern seaboard of australia i

1124
00:41:25,510 --> 00:41:23,280
looked up the uh

1125
00:41:26,790 --> 00:41:25,520
bureau of meteorology and they're there

1126
00:41:29,109 --> 00:41:26,800
they've got a great website and you can

1127
00:41:31,030 --> 00:41:29,119
look at all the floods major flooding

1128
00:41:34,069 --> 00:41:31,040
occurs on the eastern seaboard of

1129
00:41:36,069 --> 00:41:34,079
australia if if not every year certainly

1130
00:41:38,550 --> 00:41:36,079
nine years out of ten so in that

1131
00:41:41,589 --> 00:41:38,560
situation it's like so we would say well

1132
00:41:43,030 --> 00:41:41,599
so what you didn't you didn't say and by

1133
00:41:44,870 --> 00:41:43,040
the way there will be a wall of water

1134
00:41:46,790 --> 00:41:44,880
coming through queensland and brisbane

1135
00:41:48,230 --> 00:41:46,800
will be devastated in the premier now

1136
00:41:50,150 --> 00:41:48,240
that would have been something we could

1137
00:41:52,069 --> 00:41:50,160
latch on to but a vague prediction like

1138
00:41:54,150 --> 00:41:52,079
that which is bound to happen almost

1139
00:41:56,550 --> 00:41:54,160
every year we can just not even take

1140
00:41:58,390 --> 00:41:56,560
seriously yeah otherwise uh i guess we'd

1141
00:42:00,470 --> 00:41:58,400
be turning to these people for some some

1142
00:42:02,390 --> 00:42:00,480
more factual heads up in terms of you

1143
00:42:03,990 --> 00:42:02,400
know what lies around the corner it

1144
00:42:05,910 --> 00:42:04,000
would be nice to know and i know a

1145
00:42:08,309 --> 00:42:05,920
certain ex-prime minister who would have

1146
00:42:09,750 --> 00:42:08,319
just really appreciated knowing that he

1147
00:42:11,430 --> 00:42:09,760
would have been turfed out uh from

1148
00:42:13,030 --> 00:42:11,440
office last year that's a fair point too

1149
00:42:14,470 --> 00:42:13,040
yep he would have been the first in to

1150
00:42:16,630 --> 00:42:14,480
get his palm read or

1151
00:42:18,470 --> 00:42:16,640
read or his

1152
00:42:20,870 --> 00:42:18,480
uh richard taunders from the australian

1153
00:42:22,230 --> 00:42:20,880
skeptics dot com dot ayu thank you for

1154
00:42:23,750 --> 00:42:22,240
your time as always we'll talk some more

1155
00:42:25,270 --> 00:42:23,760
down the track look forward to it glenn

1156
00:42:27,910 --> 00:42:25,280
richard taunt is there joining us with

1157
00:42:30,390 --> 00:42:27,920
uh with his take on uh why it is that

1158
00:42:31,990 --> 00:42:30,400
the the psychics who like to look at the

1159
00:42:33,430 --> 00:42:32,000
year in

1160
00:42:35,589 --> 00:42:33,440
in detail and tell us what's about to

1161
00:42:37,030 --> 00:42:35,599
happen weren't able to predict the fact

1162
00:42:43,109 --> 00:42:37,040
that there was a flood about to

1163
00:42:53,990 --> 00:42:46,150
join us now for drinking skeptically in

1164
00:42:58,309 --> 00:42:56,550
and it's a big welcome once again at our

1165
00:43:00,550 --> 00:42:58,319
favorite club down the end of the street

1166
00:43:02,150 --> 00:43:00,560
and just around the corner a bit and

1167
00:43:04,069 --> 00:43:02,160
i'll stop this maynard's telling me to

1168
00:43:05,190 --> 00:43:04,079
stop it's welcome to the think tank and

1169
00:43:06,309 --> 00:43:05,200
joining me

1170
00:43:09,190 --> 00:43:06,319
as always

1171
00:43:12,309 --> 00:43:09,200
before we get to maynard oh yes is dr he

1172
00:43:15,430 --> 00:43:12,319
hi dr h hi richard how are you today uh

1173
00:43:17,589 --> 00:43:15,440
i'm well i'm on my fourth iphone today

1174
00:43:18,870 --> 00:43:17,599
yes you had a bit of a

1175
00:43:20,790 --> 00:43:18,880
um

1176
00:43:22,870 --> 00:43:20,800
what would you call it a fail an epic

1177
00:43:24,630 --> 00:43:22,880
fail an epic fail because i recorded an

1178
00:43:27,270 --> 00:43:24,640
interview you did

1179
00:43:29,349 --> 00:43:27,280
on radio this morning on my iphone and a

1180
00:43:30,710 --> 00:43:29,359
little app and it failed and i lost it i

1181
00:43:32,470 --> 00:43:30,720
know which is disappointing because i

1182
00:43:33,990 --> 00:43:32,480
wanted to actually hear it um i just

1183
00:43:35,910 --> 00:43:34,000
only had about three or four minutes on

1184
00:43:37,510 --> 00:43:35,920
a community station it was good just

1185
00:43:39,589 --> 00:43:37,520
about what skeptics believe and what we

1186
00:43:41,510 --> 00:43:39,599
do and why we do it and yeah so it was

1187
00:43:43,030 --> 00:43:41,520
good but we don't have the oil

1188
00:43:45,109 --> 00:43:43,040
we'll try it we'll try maybe we can

1189
00:43:47,670 --> 00:43:45,119
resurrect the next week and speaking

1190
00:43:49,190 --> 00:43:47,680
about resurrections it's maynard it's

1191
00:43:51,510 --> 00:43:49,200
great to be back in the major club here

1192
00:43:53,829 --> 00:43:51,520
again this is an exciting venue isn't it

1193
00:43:56,069 --> 00:43:53,839
it is it really is very exciting it's

1194
00:43:58,309 --> 00:43:56,079
happening tonight it is and we've got an

1195
00:44:00,230 --> 00:43:58,319
international guest we have joining us

1196
00:44:02,390 --> 00:44:00,240
all the way from the granite state it's

1197
00:44:04,390 --> 00:44:02,400
our uh steak

1198
00:44:06,870 --> 00:44:04,400
i'm thinking about steaks from the

1199
00:44:08,790 --> 00:44:06,880
granite state it's our good friend and

1200
00:44:11,990 --> 00:44:08,800
north american office manager for the

1201
00:44:15,030 --> 00:44:12,000
skeptic's own travis roy hi travis

1202
00:44:17,349 --> 00:44:15,040
hey richard hey guys glad to be here

1203
00:44:19,109 --> 00:44:17,359
virtually he's virtually here it's good

1204
00:44:20,630 --> 00:44:19,119
to have you in the think tank travis

1205
00:44:23,589 --> 00:44:20,640
you've been on think tank before when it

1206
00:44:25,829 --> 00:44:23,599
was in las vegas i think

1207
00:44:28,550 --> 00:44:25,839
yes yes it was that was a lot of fun and

1208
00:44:30,150 --> 00:44:28,560
i hope this is equally enjoyable so do

1209
00:44:33,190 --> 00:44:30,160
we

1210
00:44:34,870 --> 00:44:33,200
and it's james sheepy hi james g'day

1211
00:44:36,309 --> 00:44:34,880
everyone well of course the bastard

1212
00:44:38,309 --> 00:44:36,319
sheep as he's known on twitter and

1213
00:44:39,510 --> 00:44:38,319
around the world and on the internet

1214
00:44:41,349 --> 00:44:39,520
now

1215
00:44:42,950 --> 00:44:41,359
it's been a an interesting week in

1216
00:44:45,829 --> 00:44:42,960
skepticism it's always an interesting

1217
00:44:49,829 --> 00:44:45,839
week in skepticism i'd like to kick off

1218
00:44:52,550 --> 00:44:49,839
the 1023 is gathering uh momentum the

1219
00:44:53,750 --> 00:44:52,560
big homeopathy protest and campaign and

1220
00:44:55,750 --> 00:44:53,760
things like that coming up where people

1221
00:44:57,270 --> 00:44:55,760
are going to overdose early next month

1222
00:44:59,349 --> 00:44:57,280
and i noticed that the center for

1223
00:45:00,950 --> 00:44:59,359
inquiry or the committee for skeptical

1224
00:45:03,430 --> 00:45:00,960
inquiry

1225
00:45:07,510 --> 00:45:03,440
and as james pulls up the web page

1226
00:45:10,710 --> 00:45:07,520
i've released a huge statement about uh

1227
00:45:12,630 --> 00:45:10,720
railing against walmart

1228
00:45:14,470 --> 00:45:12,640
oh yes cersei the wall might have got

1229
00:45:17,030 --> 00:45:14,480
their own brand of homeopathic medicine

1230
00:45:19,109 --> 00:45:17,040
just like boots over in the uk does yeah

1231
00:45:21,030 --> 00:45:19,119
and so that's the main target of the

1232
00:45:22,470 --> 00:45:21,040
1023 campaign in america that's what

1233
00:45:24,630 --> 00:45:22,480
it's going to be

1234
00:45:27,190 --> 00:45:24,640
walmart that's fascinating

1235
00:45:29,910 --> 00:45:27,200
it's it's this this whole 1023 thing is

1236
00:45:33,190 --> 00:45:29,920
just um growing so much it's going to be

1237
00:45:34,550 --> 00:45:33,200
thousands of people this year you know

1238
00:45:36,470 --> 00:45:34,560
it's huge i mean one of the things

1239
00:45:38,230 --> 00:45:36,480
that's interesting though richard is um

1240
00:45:40,390 --> 00:45:38,240
in america people have been warned to be

1241
00:45:42,230 --> 00:45:40,400
very careful about which homeopathic

1242
00:45:43,190 --> 00:45:42,240
remedy they select for the overdose

1243
00:45:45,270 --> 00:45:43,200
because

1244
00:45:47,510 --> 00:45:45,280
some homeopathic remedies in the us

1245
00:45:49,510 --> 00:45:47,520
actually have active ingredients really

1246
00:45:50,870 --> 00:45:49,520
yes so

1247
00:45:53,109 --> 00:45:50,880
if you are going to be going to an

1248
00:45:54,710 --> 00:45:53,119
overdose in the states make sure you

1249
00:45:55,910 --> 00:45:54,720
check with your organizer as to what is

1250
00:45:58,630 --> 00:45:55,920
a safe

1251
00:46:00,470 --> 00:45:58,640
in other words nothing in it homeopathy

1252
00:46:02,630 --> 00:46:00,480
products because some of them are not

1253
00:46:04,710 --> 00:46:02,640
truly homeopathic wow or you could just

1254
00:46:06,950 --> 00:46:04,720
take a bag of candy

1255
00:46:08,710 --> 00:46:06,960
well that's not really the i mean it

1256
00:46:10,470 --> 00:46:08,720
kind of is the point but you really need

1257
00:46:12,550 --> 00:46:10,480
to use the real

1258
00:46:15,030 --> 00:46:12,560
branded stuff to get your point across

1259
00:46:16,790 --> 00:46:15,040
you do even the off-the-shelf ones most

1260
00:46:19,190 --> 00:46:16,800
of them have got the majority of the um

1261
00:46:20,390 --> 00:46:19,200
products are 3c or 6c which isn't very

1262
00:46:22,710 --> 00:46:20,400
much at all there's still active

1263
00:46:24,390 --> 00:46:22,720
ingredients in those cases well so if

1264
00:46:26,069 --> 00:46:24,400
you're going to overdose there there's

1265
00:46:28,150 --> 00:46:26,079
possible there's a possibility so you

1266
00:46:30,069 --> 00:46:28,160
need to be careful yeah and what about

1267
00:46:31,829 --> 00:46:30,079
your natural herbs like valerium if you

1268
00:46:33,510 --> 00:46:31,839
took a lot of valerian could that be

1269
00:46:34,950 --> 00:46:33,520
dangerous too if you take too much of

1270
00:46:36,230 --> 00:46:34,960
anything it can be dangerous which is

1271
00:46:38,230 --> 00:46:36,240
why you've actually got to look up what

1272
00:46:40,230 --> 00:46:38,240
these products are what the things that

1273
00:46:42,470 --> 00:46:40,240
are in high doses anyway look them up

1274
00:46:44,150 --> 00:46:42,480
and see okay how much can i take it's

1275
00:46:45,670 --> 00:46:44,160
something as simple as coffee huh which

1276
00:46:47,990 --> 00:46:45,680
you can drink and coffee every single

1277
00:46:49,270 --> 00:46:48,000
day no problems take as many pills as

1278
00:46:51,430 --> 00:46:49,280
you like so what's that some of the

1279
00:46:53,349 --> 00:46:51,440
other ingredients they can be dangerous

1280
00:46:55,589 --> 00:46:53,359
the website there is a

1281
00:46:57,030 --> 00:46:55,599
cycop.org

1282
00:47:00,309 --> 00:46:57,040
and you can just do a search on their

1283
00:47:02,150 --> 00:47:00,319
website or if you just google csi and

1284
00:47:03,349 --> 00:47:02,160
1023 that you can find out the

1285
00:47:05,750 --> 00:47:03,359
information about that yes but the

1286
00:47:07,270 --> 00:47:05,760
message is clear

1287
00:47:10,309 --> 00:47:07,280
all around the world if you are taking

1288
00:47:13,030 --> 00:47:10,319
part in the 1023 campaign be damn sure

1289
00:47:17,190 --> 00:47:13,040
what you're taking is indeed

1290
00:47:18,710 --> 00:47:17,200
sugar with no active ingredient um

1291
00:47:20,870 --> 00:47:18,720
we're pretty safe in australia i've i

1292
00:47:23,430 --> 00:47:20,880
i've gathered new too rachel we've

1293
00:47:26,150 --> 00:47:23,440
guzzled thousands of but we've guzzled

1294
00:47:29,190 --> 00:47:26,160
30c so what about you travis are you

1295
00:47:31,349 --> 00:47:29,200
guys participating in 1023

1296
00:47:33,910 --> 00:47:31,359
uh no we're not and it's uh specifically

1297
00:47:35,990 --> 00:47:33,920
because of that concern um we don't

1298
00:47:39,349 --> 00:47:36,000
really have enough time before the event

1299
00:47:41,270 --> 00:47:39,359
in order to uh do proper research and

1300
00:47:43,109 --> 00:47:41,280
get something that we know is safe and

1301
00:47:45,430 --> 00:47:43,119
um i know i've been in contact with a

1302
00:47:47,510 --> 00:47:45,440
couple other uh grassroots groups and

1303
00:47:48,630 --> 00:47:47,520
local groups that have the same concerns

1304
00:47:50,309 --> 00:47:48,640
so we're

1305
00:47:51,910 --> 00:47:50,319
we're still not sure exactly what we're

1306
00:47:54,150 --> 00:47:51,920
going to be doing if anything but it'll

1307
00:47:56,470 --> 00:47:54,160
probably be more on just education and

1308
00:47:58,630 --> 00:47:56,480
doing examples of how they

1309
00:48:00,069 --> 00:47:58,640
mix the homeopathic

1310
00:48:01,109 --> 00:48:00,079
remedies

1311
00:48:03,030 --> 00:48:01,119
so

1312
00:48:05,430 --> 00:48:03,040
travis can i ask a question then is is

1313
00:48:06,470 --> 00:48:05,440
homeopathy really homeopathy in the u.s

1314
00:48:08,710 --> 00:48:06,480
if

1315
00:48:10,630 --> 00:48:08,720
it's got an active ingredient i mean how

1316
00:48:13,109 --> 00:48:10,640
do you define it as homeopathy if

1317
00:48:15,109 --> 00:48:13,119
there's an active ingredient in it

1318
00:48:17,990 --> 00:48:15,119
well that's the problem i mean you can

1319
00:48:19,430 --> 00:48:18,000
find places um that there's a

1320
00:48:21,589 --> 00:48:19,440
local

1321
00:48:23,510 --> 00:48:21,599
like farmer's market kind of

1322
00:48:24,950 --> 00:48:23,520
store that has

1323
00:48:27,270 --> 00:48:24,960
homeopathic

1324
00:48:29,829 --> 00:48:27,280
remedies that seem to be

1325
00:48:31,829 --> 00:48:29,839
legit in actual homeopathic

1326
00:48:34,069 --> 00:48:31,839
remedies but

1327
00:48:35,589 --> 00:48:34,079
the problem is is with the regulation

1328
00:48:37,349 --> 00:48:35,599
because they're kind of classified as

1329
00:48:38,630 --> 00:48:37,359
supplements and supplements are

1330
00:48:41,589 --> 00:48:38,640
unregulated

1331
00:48:43,270 --> 00:48:41,599
so it's it's really hard to just

1332
00:48:45,109 --> 00:48:43,280
to you have to really look because the

1333
00:48:47,270 --> 00:48:45,119
problem is is with uh there was one

1334
00:48:48,710 --> 00:48:47,280
recent in recent history as i came where

1335
00:48:50,710 --> 00:48:48,720
it actually had zinc and it caused

1336
00:48:51,430 --> 00:48:50,720
people to lose their sense of smell

1337
00:48:52,870 --> 00:48:51,440
so

1338
00:48:54,390 --> 00:48:52,880
with the fact that there has been

1339
00:48:57,109 --> 00:48:54,400
something that has had an active

1340
00:48:58,870 --> 00:48:57,119
ingredient so recently and has had a

1341
00:49:00,230 --> 00:48:58,880
lasting effect that that makes us

1342
00:49:01,430 --> 00:49:00,240
worried so

1343
00:49:03,589 --> 00:49:01,440
i think that's really interesting

1344
00:49:04,790 --> 00:49:03,599
because you and i have often richard and

1345
00:49:07,030 --> 00:49:04,800
i have often

1346
00:49:08,950 --> 00:49:07,040
thought about how they make homeopathy

1347
00:49:11,109 --> 00:49:08,960
in australia and i mean i have to admit

1348
00:49:13,430 --> 00:49:11,119
i i have thought of all these rose and

1349
00:49:14,790 --> 00:49:13,440
rose of von paalong who are banging

1350
00:49:17,109 --> 00:49:14,800
something against you know a

1351
00:49:19,109 --> 00:49:17,119
leather-bound something you know it's

1352
00:49:20,710 --> 00:49:19,119
like like um willy wonka and the

1353
00:49:23,270 --> 00:49:20,720
chocolate factory i'm sure it's not like

1354
00:49:25,190 --> 00:49:23,280
that but we have

1355
00:49:26,950 --> 00:49:25,200
we we have sort of uh thought about

1356
00:49:28,950 --> 00:49:26,960
whether they actually add anything or

1357
00:49:30,630 --> 00:49:28,960
whether they do the dilutions and and

1358
00:49:31,910 --> 00:49:30,640
what we thought was they probably just

1359
00:49:34,390 --> 00:49:31,920
make the pills and put them in the

1360
00:49:36,069 --> 00:49:34,400
package to be honest the mass produced

1361
00:49:38,309 --> 00:49:36,079
homeopathy

1362
00:49:40,549 --> 00:49:38,319
homeopathic pills you can buy here in

1363
00:49:43,190 --> 00:49:40,559
the pharmacies which there must be many

1364
00:49:45,910 --> 00:49:43,200
hundreds and upon hundreds of thousands

1365
00:49:47,349 --> 00:49:45,920
all over the country i strongly suspect

1366
00:49:49,510 --> 00:49:47,359
there's a machine

1367
00:49:52,790 --> 00:49:49,520
somewhere which simply makes sugar pills

1368
00:49:54,309 --> 00:49:52,800
and they're packaged and out they go i

1369
00:49:55,750 --> 00:49:54,319
now i'd like to go into the factory and

1370
00:49:57,270 --> 00:49:55,760
see what really goes on but i can't

1371
00:49:59,430 --> 00:49:57,280
believe that they've actually gone

1372
00:50:01,750 --> 00:49:59,440
through any process with any ingredients

1373
00:50:03,349 --> 00:50:01,760
whatsoever why would they bother well

1374
00:50:05,190 --> 00:50:03,359
exactly which makes me

1375
00:50:06,950 --> 00:50:05,200
curious as to what travis is saying that

1376
00:50:09,349 --> 00:50:06,960
in the states some of them do have

1377
00:50:11,349 --> 00:50:09,359
active ingredients you know why bother

1378
00:50:13,349 --> 00:50:11,359
it's i mean i suppose in that instance

1379
00:50:15,109 --> 00:50:13,359
it's just a marketing tool isn't it to

1380
00:50:16,950 --> 00:50:15,119
call it homeopathic rather than i think

1381
00:50:18,470 --> 00:50:16,960
so and you know the company i'm talking

1382
00:50:19,750 --> 00:50:18,480
about uh yes i do know the company are

1383
00:50:21,589 --> 00:50:19,760
they from south australia yeah i'm going

1384
00:50:23,190 --> 00:50:21,599
to mention the brower company now

1385
00:50:25,030 --> 00:50:23,200
australians can walk into just about any

1386
00:50:26,710 --> 00:50:25,040
pharmacy and find boxes of sugar pills

1387
00:50:28,309 --> 00:50:26,720
from the brow company

1388
00:50:30,470 --> 00:50:28,319
and um

1389
00:50:32,549 --> 00:50:30,480
i look i i don't have evidence for this

1390
00:50:34,230 --> 00:50:32,559
but i why would they bother

1391
00:50:36,390 --> 00:50:34,240
doing a process when they can just still

1392
00:50:37,430 --> 00:50:36,400
sell sugar pills put homeopathic on the

1393
00:50:39,910 --> 00:50:37,440
side

1394
00:50:41,990 --> 00:50:39,920
make up whatever they like and sell them

1395
00:50:43,030 --> 00:50:42,000
well because travis similarly to you in

1396
00:50:45,030 --> 00:50:43,040
australia

1397
00:50:46,069 --> 00:50:45,040
homeopathy products are not regulated

1398
00:50:48,630 --> 00:50:46,079
either

1399
00:50:51,589 --> 00:50:48,640
you just have to when you apply for

1400
00:50:55,990 --> 00:50:51,599
a government number to get them into

1401
00:50:58,150 --> 00:50:56,000
pharmacies you just say it's got 30c of

1402
00:50:59,990 --> 00:50:58,160
austillium in it it's got 30c of blood

1403
00:51:02,150 --> 00:51:00,000
but you they don't ever test that and

1404
00:51:04,069 --> 00:51:02,160
they don't ask you for evidence they ask

1405
00:51:05,910 --> 00:51:04,079
you to have that evidence on you in case

1406
00:51:07,910 --> 00:51:05,920
they one day might ask you for it but

1407
00:51:09,589 --> 00:51:07,920
they don't ask that for upfront so you

1408
00:51:11,510 --> 00:51:09,599
don't know what you're taking did you

1409
00:51:13,750 --> 00:51:11,520
see that report from canada travis that

1410
00:51:15,589 --> 00:51:13,760
was recently on

1411
00:51:17,109 --> 00:51:15,599
uh no i didn't

1412
00:51:19,349 --> 00:51:17,119
that was on the market watch the

1413
00:51:21,430 --> 00:51:19,359
canadian program that exposed homeopathy

1414
00:51:24,309 --> 00:51:21,440
in canada that was interesting because

1415
00:51:27,270 --> 00:51:24,319
they took the preparations bought from

1416
00:51:28,710 --> 00:51:27,280
the pharmacy to a a laboratory had them

1417
00:51:31,270 --> 00:51:28,720
analyzed and they said

1418
00:51:37,670 --> 00:51:31,280
there's no nothing in these what what

1419
00:51:41,990 --> 00:51:39,990
can i tell my uh unregulated supplement

1420
00:51:43,430 --> 00:51:42,000
story now if that's okay yes go for it i

1421
00:51:45,109 --> 00:51:43,440
have actually told this before i don't

1422
00:51:47,030 --> 00:51:45,119
know if i have told it here in the early

1423
00:51:49,750 --> 00:51:47,040
90s i was taking a i think it was called

1424
00:51:52,069 --> 00:51:49,760
an l-i-c-n complex supplement i used to

1425
00:51:53,510 --> 00:51:52,079
buy it from a health food shop just near

1426
00:51:56,069 --> 00:51:53,520
king's crosses in william street just

1427
00:51:58,309 --> 00:51:56,079
going up the road at the coke sign and i

1428
00:52:00,150 --> 00:51:58,319
was getting very very ill

1429
00:52:01,670 --> 00:52:00,160
i was sleeping very badly i was getting

1430
00:52:03,829 --> 00:52:01,680
arthritis in every single joint of my

1431
00:52:05,510 --> 00:52:03,839
body except my knees i went to see

1432
00:52:08,230 --> 00:52:05,520
professor penny who at that time was the

1433
00:52:09,990 --> 00:52:08,240
chief immunologist in sydney um who

1434
00:52:11,670 --> 00:52:10,000
tested me for everything under the sun

1435
00:52:13,430 --> 00:52:11,680
immunologically wise could not find

1436
00:52:14,950 --> 00:52:13,440
anything wrong with me this supplement

1437
00:52:16,230 --> 00:52:14,960
was suddenly taken off the market by the

1438
00:52:17,349 --> 00:52:16,240
australian government i was very angry

1439
00:52:18,710 --> 00:52:17,359
couldn't get this to help me sleep

1440
00:52:20,630 --> 00:52:18,720
anymore

1441
00:52:22,549 --> 00:52:20,640
in the story i recovered slowly now and

1442
00:52:24,150 --> 00:52:22,559
knew what it was professor penny didn't

1443
00:52:25,829 --> 00:52:24,160
know what it was either it came and went

1444
00:52:26,549 --> 00:52:25,839
he tested me for every virus possibly

1445
00:52:28,230 --> 00:52:26,559
could

1446
00:52:29,910 --> 00:52:28,240
a couple years later i was watching the

1447
00:52:32,549 --> 00:52:29,920
discovery channel and

1448
00:52:35,910 --> 00:52:32,559
the main supplier of lyceum complex in

1449
00:52:37,430 --> 00:52:35,920
japan had contaminated with stricten

1450
00:52:38,790 --> 00:52:37,440
their uh

1451
00:52:40,069 --> 00:52:38,800
their product and it had been pulled

1452
00:52:41,829 --> 00:52:40,079
from all over the world now i'm pretty

1453
00:52:43,990 --> 00:52:41,839
sure that's what it was and that is what

1454
00:52:45,750 --> 00:52:44,000
i've been giving myself a low dose of

1455
00:52:48,150 --> 00:52:45,760
strychnine poisoning is that right

1456
00:52:51,030 --> 00:52:48,160
that's why your your complexion looks so

1457
00:52:52,390 --> 00:52:51,040
uh well yeah and i i just wonder you

1458
00:52:53,990 --> 00:52:52,400
know if anyone had been taking a higher

1459
00:52:55,589 --> 00:52:54,000
dose than i had what sort of the

1460
00:52:57,349 --> 00:52:55,599
negative effects it could have on you

1461
00:52:58,790 --> 00:52:57,359
but it really was and i i couldn't

1462
00:52:59,990 --> 00:52:58,800
figure out that he was this health food

1463
00:53:00,870 --> 00:53:00,000
supplement i would never have thought

1464
00:53:03,030 --> 00:53:00,880
that something i was taking from the

1465
00:53:05,190 --> 00:53:03,040
health it's used for

1466
00:53:06,950 --> 00:53:05,200
killing animals um yeah and i'm sure it

1467
00:53:08,549 --> 00:53:06,960
kills people in the right amount too

1468
00:53:10,549 --> 00:53:08,559
it's also been known to add to certain

1469
00:53:12,230 --> 00:53:10,559
uh recreational drugs to increase the

1470
00:53:13,589 --> 00:53:12,240
kick of them in small amounts as well

1471
00:53:15,270 --> 00:53:13,599
over the years but still it's not

1472
00:53:16,470 --> 00:53:15,280
something you want

1473
00:53:20,069 --> 00:53:16,480
no

1474
00:53:21,910 --> 00:53:20,079
that the government took my supplement

1475
00:53:24,630 --> 00:53:21,920
off the shelf how dare they take your

1476
00:53:27,510 --> 00:53:24,640
stricken away from you exactly

1477
00:53:28,950 --> 00:53:27,520
all right now maynard why why you're

1478
00:53:31,910 --> 00:53:28,960
sitting across from me and having a

1479
00:53:33,430 --> 00:53:31,920
conversation let's let's now talk and as

1480
00:53:35,750 --> 00:53:33,440
i promised at the top of the show let's

1481
00:53:36,950 --> 00:53:35,760
talk briefly about uh the interview you

1482
00:53:39,990 --> 00:53:36,960
conducted

1483
00:53:41,750 --> 00:53:40,000
look um i've known jessica for um

1484
00:53:42,950 --> 00:53:41,760
almost as long as she has been an

1485
00:53:45,750 --> 00:53:42,960
astrologer

1486
00:53:47,670 --> 00:53:45,760
i'd find her to be completely genuine um

1487
00:53:50,069 --> 00:53:47,680
um and that interview is one of the few

1488
00:53:51,510 --> 00:53:50,079
examples you'll get of uh the skeptics

1489
00:53:53,109 --> 00:53:51,520
you guys were happy with the interview

1490
00:53:54,390 --> 00:53:53,119
jessica was happy with the interview i

1491
00:53:56,069 --> 00:53:54,400
was happy with the interview i think she

1492
00:53:58,230 --> 00:53:56,079
wrapped it and represented herself well

1493
00:53:59,829 --> 00:53:58,240
let's just uh define

1494
00:54:02,470 --> 00:53:59,839
a word here at the moment because i i

1495
00:54:05,349 --> 00:54:02,480
was interested in your word genuine

1496
00:54:08,069 --> 00:54:05,359
now when you say genuine you mean

1497
00:54:10,790 --> 00:54:08,079
sincere yes all right and consistent

1498
00:54:12,710 --> 00:54:10,800
within her own reality right so just to

1499
00:54:13,910 --> 00:54:12,720
be clear you're not

1500
00:54:16,230 --> 00:54:13,920
you're not

1501
00:54:18,549 --> 00:54:16,240
suggesting or putting yourself over

1502
00:54:20,710 --> 00:54:18,559
saying that genuine meaning what she

1503
00:54:23,829 --> 00:54:20,720
says was correct you're saying she's a

1504
00:54:26,390 --> 00:54:23,839
genuine person in that she is sincere

1505
00:54:27,910 --> 00:54:26,400
that is correct and the the um all the

1506
00:54:30,470 --> 00:54:27,920
interactions i've had with her over the

1507
00:54:33,030 --> 00:54:30,480
years um have been genuine ones and like

1508
00:54:35,670 --> 00:54:33,040
i said um uh she's certainly consistent

1509
00:54:39,109 --> 00:54:35,680
within her own reality and and uh and i

1510
00:54:41,349 --> 00:54:39,119
can't even say that about myself

1511
00:54:42,790 --> 00:54:41,359
all right now here's what we want you to

1512
00:54:44,309 --> 00:54:42,800
do dear listeners

1513
00:54:46,390 --> 00:54:44,319
you heard the interview that maynard

1514
00:54:47,589 --> 00:54:46,400
conducted with jessica adams earlier in

1515
00:54:49,670 --> 00:54:47,599
the show

1516
00:54:52,870 --> 00:54:49,680
and i'm sure you all have your

1517
00:54:55,349 --> 00:54:52,880
opinions about it we're not going to sit

1518
00:54:57,430 --> 00:54:55,359
here on the skeptic zone and

1519
00:54:59,349 --> 00:54:57,440
look at her interview line by line and

1520
00:55:00,150 --> 00:54:59,359
point this out and point that out i'd

1521
00:55:02,630 --> 00:55:00,160
like

1522
00:55:04,710 --> 00:55:02,640
you all to do that now you can imagine i

1523
00:55:06,870 --> 00:55:04,720
personally have very strong opinions on

1524
00:55:08,309 --> 00:55:06,880
what jessica adams said to maynard and

1525
00:55:11,190 --> 00:55:08,319
some of her uh

1526
00:55:15,030 --> 00:55:11,200
her responses and her points of view

1527
00:55:17,030 --> 00:55:15,040
if you want to comment yourself

1528
00:55:18,710 --> 00:55:17,040
and point out what you think she said

1529
00:55:20,790 --> 00:55:18,720
right or wrong

1530
00:55:22,470 --> 00:55:20,800
let's do that go to the skeptic zone

1531
00:55:24,470 --> 00:55:22,480
skepticism.tv

1532
00:55:27,349 --> 00:55:24,480
click the the comments link for this

1533
00:55:28,870 --> 00:55:27,359
episode 119 and let's have a good

1534
00:55:29,910 --> 00:55:28,880
discussion about it i would be

1535
00:55:32,470 --> 00:55:29,920
interested

1536
00:55:34,950 --> 00:55:32,480
for you uh especially people sort of new

1537
00:55:38,069 --> 00:55:34,960
to the skeptical world to see what you

1538
00:55:40,549 --> 00:55:38,079
thought about her uh her point of view

1539
00:55:41,670 --> 00:55:40,559
her answers and where she was going i

1540
00:55:43,510 --> 00:55:41,680
think that's the best thing we can do

1541
00:55:46,150 --> 00:55:43,520
maynard and just to remind you that is

1542
00:55:48,150 --> 00:55:46,160
moderated so if you come on and say oh i

1543
00:55:49,750 --> 00:55:48,160
think she was she was awful and what a

1544
00:55:52,069 --> 00:55:49,760
stupid woman or

1545
00:55:53,910 --> 00:55:52,079
or the reverse if you come on and say

1546
00:55:56,549 --> 00:55:53,920
you skeptics are a bunch of fools it

1547
00:55:58,230 --> 00:55:56,559
won't get through so polite comments

1548
00:55:59,910 --> 00:55:58,240
please and we'll see where that takes us

1549
00:56:01,109 --> 00:55:59,920
but also what we are interested too is

1550
00:56:02,870 --> 00:56:01,119
do you think that's the kind of thing we

1551
00:56:04,549 --> 00:56:02,880
should have on the skeptic zone because

1552
00:56:06,309 --> 00:56:04,559
i mean it would be hard to get someone

1553
00:56:08,390 --> 00:56:06,319
like that on a podcast like this in the

1554
00:56:10,470 --> 00:56:08,400
first place and you know is it it's good

1555
00:56:12,309 --> 00:56:10,480
to know how astrology works well

1556
00:56:13,349 --> 00:56:12,319
personally just from my point of view

1557
00:56:14,950 --> 00:56:13,359
every now and then i don't see any

1558
00:56:17,910 --> 00:56:14,960
harmony

1559
00:56:20,230 --> 00:56:17,920
i i like it's why we go to mind body

1560
00:56:21,589 --> 00:56:20,240
wallet raging exactly it's always good

1561
00:56:23,349 --> 00:56:21,599
to see where other people are coming

1562
00:56:25,349 --> 00:56:23,359
from what is that where's their mindset

1563
00:56:26,950 --> 00:56:25,359
research and education you know so

1564
00:56:29,270 --> 00:56:26,960
listeners i hope you took it in that

1565
00:56:30,390 --> 00:56:29,280
light i mean we're not for one moment

1566
00:56:32,470 --> 00:56:30,400
saying

1567
00:56:35,670 --> 00:56:32,480
we've turned to astrology but i wanted

1568
00:56:37,430 --> 00:56:35,680
you to hear the the thinking the mindset

1569
00:56:38,549 --> 00:56:37,440
of these sort of people and particularly

1570
00:56:41,190 --> 00:56:38,559
when jessica was saying about the

1571
00:56:43,190 --> 00:56:41,200
testing of astrology too and you know

1572
00:56:44,870 --> 00:56:43,200
the two science and astrology will never

1573
00:56:46,230 --> 00:56:44,880
meet because they're not agreeing on the

1574
00:56:47,990 --> 00:56:46,240
same terms and they're not measuring the

1575
00:56:49,750 --> 00:56:48,000
same things so that's why you're never

1576
00:56:51,910 --> 00:56:49,760
going to be able to get anybody going

1577
00:56:53,190 --> 00:56:51,920
for the the randy test and pass it

1578
00:56:55,430 --> 00:56:53,200
because the two of them don't talk the

1579
00:56:57,030 --> 00:56:55,440
same language now travis i know that you

1580
00:56:58,950 --> 00:56:57,040
haven't heard this interview yet because

1581
00:57:00,710 --> 00:56:58,960
we're sort of recording this a little

1582
00:57:03,030 --> 00:57:00,720
bit out of sequence but

1583
00:57:04,870 --> 00:57:03,040
i'd be welcome your input too uh after

1584
00:57:06,630 --> 00:57:04,880
the show goes out

1585
00:57:09,030 --> 00:57:06,640
yeah definitely

1586
00:57:11,349 --> 00:57:09,040
and uh share it around with the granite

1587
00:57:14,069 --> 00:57:11,359
state the granite state skeptics folks

1588
00:57:16,470 --> 00:57:14,079
travis tell us about it

1589
00:57:19,750 --> 00:57:16,480
do you have any astrologers in there

1590
00:57:22,549 --> 00:57:19,760
uh not to my knowledge but the uh but

1591
00:57:24,789 --> 00:57:22,559
grant says skeptics is going well um

1592
00:57:26,710 --> 00:57:24,799
we meet the second monday of every month

1593
00:57:28,309 --> 00:57:26,720
at a place called wings your way in

1594
00:57:31,430 --> 00:57:28,319
manchester new hampshire

1595
00:57:33,750 --> 00:57:31,440
uh richard was kind enough to do a talk

1596
00:57:36,390 --> 00:57:33,760
at one of our meetings via skype which

1597
00:57:37,910 --> 00:57:36,400
went surprisingly well and kind of

1598
00:57:39,589 --> 00:57:37,920
shocked one of the waitresses because i

1599
00:57:40,630 --> 00:57:39,599
don't think at first she realized it was

1600
00:57:41,990 --> 00:57:40,640
live

1601
00:57:47,430 --> 00:57:42,000
um

1602
00:57:49,030 --> 00:57:47,440
my wife and the vice president is

1603
00:57:50,870 --> 00:57:49,040
currently planning a skeptic camp that

1604
00:57:52,710 --> 00:57:50,880
we hope to be doing sometime between

1605
00:57:54,549 --> 00:57:52,720
nexus and tam

1606
00:57:56,630 --> 00:57:54,559
and we're planning on getting ready to

1607
00:57:58,710 --> 00:57:56,640
go down to nexus and uh

1608
00:58:00,309 --> 00:57:58,720
yeah things are going fantastically well

1609
00:58:01,910 --> 00:58:00,319
i'm really um

1610
00:58:04,390 --> 00:58:01,920
i got a kick out of doing that talk for

1611
00:58:06,470 --> 00:58:04,400
your group travis because just to uh

1612
00:58:09,270 --> 00:58:06,480
remind everybody i was doing it by a

1613
00:58:11,349 --> 00:58:09,280
video from australia on skype travis had

1614
00:58:13,109 --> 00:58:11,359
my powerpoint presentation so the

1615
00:58:15,190 --> 00:58:13,119
audience could see me on video they

1616
00:58:17,430 --> 00:58:15,200
could see my powerpoint presentation and

1617
00:58:19,589 --> 00:58:17,440
when i and i could see them

1618
00:58:21,670 --> 00:58:19,599
it and it worked fantastically well it

1619
00:58:23,430 --> 00:58:21,680
was amazing and also you were doing it

1620
00:58:24,789 --> 00:58:23,440
in your pajamas weren't you richard

1621
00:58:28,549 --> 00:58:24,799
probably yes

1622
00:58:31,829 --> 00:58:28,559
no my pajama jeans in fact oh no

1623
00:58:32,630 --> 00:58:31,839
not pajama jeans who you they were on tv

1624
00:58:40,870 --> 00:58:32,640
today

1625
00:58:45,109 --> 00:58:43,990
pajama jeans are right up your alley

1626
00:58:46,870 --> 00:58:45,119
they are the

1627
00:58:49,510 --> 00:58:46,880
main hardware you should you google it

1628
00:58:51,990 --> 00:58:49,520
you will go you bear i love it brilliant

1629
00:58:53,030 --> 00:58:52,000
ad on the in the us for these um jeans

1630
00:58:54,549 --> 00:58:53,040
that are so comfortable they're like

1631
00:58:57,510 --> 00:58:54,559
wearing pajamas but i think they are

1632
00:58:58,870 --> 00:58:57,520
pajamas that look like jeans no they're

1633
00:59:01,349 --> 00:58:58,880
they're jeans that are as comfortable as

1634
00:59:03,430 --> 00:59:01,359
pajamas aren't they travis yeah

1635
00:59:04,950 --> 00:59:03,440
look what kind of patterns are they

1636
00:59:07,990 --> 00:59:04,960
they look like jeans

1637
00:59:09,990 --> 00:59:08,000
pockets and everything they're they're

1638
00:59:11,910 --> 00:59:10,000
great and there's actually um

1639
00:59:14,150 --> 00:59:11,920
just to go off a little bit there's a

1640
00:59:16,549 --> 00:59:14,160
there's a fantastic blog it's called

1641
00:59:18,470 --> 00:59:16,559
ridiculous infomercials and i think i

1642
00:59:20,710 --> 00:59:18,480
saw it there first but they have

1643
00:59:22,710 --> 00:59:20,720
tons and tons of other stuff and a lot

1644
00:59:25,190 --> 00:59:22,720
of it is actually kind of woo related so

1645
00:59:26,789 --> 00:59:25,200
it's it's a it's on my uh google reader

1646
00:59:27,910 --> 00:59:26,799
list but it's a great website are you

1647
00:59:30,309 --> 00:59:27,920
saying that this could be bigger than

1648
00:59:33,349 --> 00:59:30,319
the snuggie or the slanket

1649
00:59:34,630 --> 00:59:33,359
um i don't know about that but uh

1650
00:59:37,190 --> 00:59:34,640
they've definitely been pushing them

1651
00:59:39,430 --> 00:59:37,200
hard over here and i i haven't seen

1652
00:59:41,750 --> 00:59:39,440
anybody actually wearing them but

1653
00:59:43,589 --> 00:59:41,760
they said on the tv today uh pajama

1654
00:59:45,270 --> 00:59:43,599
jeans is what people who wear snuggies

1655
00:59:46,950 --> 00:59:45,280
are too lazy to wear or something like

1656
00:59:48,789 --> 00:59:46,960
that so you saw an ad on australian

1657
00:59:52,950 --> 00:59:48,799
television they were discussing it on

1658
00:59:56,390 --> 00:59:54,789
because i think you i

1659
00:59:58,630 --> 00:59:56,400
oh yeah we're looking at a picture now

1660
01:00:00,710 --> 00:59:58,640
there they are there they are

1661
01:00:02,150 --> 01:00:00,720
now you do travis you do wear them out

1662
01:00:03,750 --> 01:00:02,160
of the house right they are actually

1663
01:00:05,910 --> 01:00:03,760
jeans that are as comfortable as pajamas

1664
01:00:07,109 --> 01:00:05,920
is that right yeah because i you sent me

1665
01:00:08,870 --> 01:00:07,119
but they're not actually jeans they're

1666
01:00:09,829 --> 01:00:08,880
made out of the same fabric as pajamas

1667
01:00:12,309 --> 01:00:09,839
are but they're meant for they're just

1668
01:00:14,390 --> 01:00:12,319
yeah they just look like jeans so

1669
01:00:17,109 --> 01:00:14,400
they're flannel i i've see i've seen

1670
01:00:20,230 --> 01:00:17,119
them in person at the mall and then they

1671
01:00:22,870 --> 01:00:21,750
it's just in the ads but they look like

1672
01:00:24,789 --> 01:00:22,880
jeans

1673
01:00:26,630 --> 01:00:24,799
it's all photoshopped oh no there you

1674
01:00:28,069 --> 01:00:26,640
have maynard let's say you mean entire

1675
01:00:32,069 --> 01:00:28,079
families don't go to sporting games

1676
01:00:32,079 --> 01:00:37,829
no that's it i'm handing in my shamwow

1677
01:00:43,270 --> 01:00:41,030
let's talk about something now

1678
01:00:45,750 --> 01:00:43,280
uh rachel yes now this is very exciting

1679
01:00:48,309 --> 01:00:45,760
and i'd like to wet the appetite of our

1680
01:00:49,750 --> 01:00:48,319
listeners for next week's show

1681
01:00:52,470 --> 01:00:49,760
we're going to have a longer look at

1682
01:00:54,549 --> 01:00:52,480
power balance yes i know that we go on

1683
01:00:56,870 --> 01:00:54,559
about it a little bit we do michael

1684
01:00:59,270 --> 01:00:56,880
marshall i'm sorry that you get annoyed

1685
01:01:00,309 --> 01:00:59,280
that we keep going on about power

1686
01:01:02,150 --> 01:01:00,319
balance

1687
01:01:05,910 --> 01:01:02,160
mike mike marsh

1688
01:01:07,829 --> 01:01:05,920
from um merseyside skeptics skeptics

1689
01:01:09,270 --> 01:01:07,839
says we talk about it too much but that

1690
01:01:10,710 --> 01:01:09,280
he was on the show a few weeks ago

1691
01:01:12,950 --> 01:01:10,720
helping me out talking that's true

1692
01:01:15,190 --> 01:01:12,960
that's true but anyway we've got a lot

1693
01:01:17,829 --> 01:01:15,200
to say a lot to say about power balance

1694
01:01:19,349 --> 01:01:17,839
next week and some related products uh

1695
01:01:20,870 --> 01:01:19,359
but you're going to be interviewing some

1696
01:01:22,309 --> 01:01:20,880
people who've just conducted some

1697
01:01:26,069 --> 01:01:22,319
research into it

1698
01:01:29,349 --> 01:01:26,079
yes um a couple of days ago a scientific

1699
01:01:31,910 --> 01:01:29,359
study was published in australia um by

1700
01:01:34,309 --> 01:01:31,920
interestingly some chiropractors um

1701
01:01:36,069 --> 01:01:34,319
amongst others well chiropractors were

1702
01:01:37,030 --> 01:01:36,079
the two first authors and then a couple

1703
01:01:39,270 --> 01:01:37,040
of guys from the department of

1704
01:01:41,270 --> 01:01:39,280
mathematics at the um royal melbourne

1705
01:01:43,190 --> 01:01:41,280
institute of technology rmit here in

1706
01:01:44,630 --> 01:01:43,200
australia and we knew a few months ago

1707
01:01:46,470 --> 01:01:44,640
that they were doing this study because

1708
01:01:48,789 --> 01:01:46,480
um it was covered on the mainstream

1709
01:01:50,630 --> 01:01:48,799
media and i was a little bit worried at

1710
01:01:53,030 --> 01:01:50,640
the time that it might come out with the

1711
01:01:55,349 --> 01:01:53,040
wrong answer and the reason i can say

1712
01:01:57,030 --> 01:01:55,359
the wrong answer is because we know that

1713
01:01:59,270 --> 01:01:57,040
power balance is an expensive rubber

1714
01:02:00,950 --> 01:01:59,280
band i mean there's no question i mean

1715
01:02:03,190 --> 01:02:00,960
you don't need to do a study on it you

1716
01:02:06,309 --> 01:02:03,200
can just look at it and go you're joking

1717
01:02:08,230 --> 01:02:06,319
you know honestly it's just hilarious um

1718
01:02:11,030 --> 01:02:08,240
oh sorry we've just been devoted to

1719
01:02:13,670 --> 01:02:11,040
pajamas pajama jeans oh my goodness

1720
01:02:17,030 --> 01:02:13,680
look at that wow style meets comfort i

1721
01:02:20,710 --> 01:02:18,309
like while you guys are looking at

1722
01:02:23,030 --> 01:02:20,720
pajama jeez i wanted to add that

1723
01:02:25,510 --> 01:02:23,040
on brian dunning's skep talk list

1724
01:02:27,270 --> 01:02:25,520
somebody brought up uh fightin which is

1725
01:02:29,030 --> 01:02:27,280
a similar type of product

1726
01:02:31,430 --> 01:02:29,040
and i think it's important to to mention

1727
01:02:34,309 --> 01:02:31,440
that i mean i i talk about power balance

1728
01:02:36,549 --> 01:02:34,319
specifically as well but i i think that

1729
01:02:39,349 --> 01:02:36,559
you'd agree that power balance is really

1730
01:02:41,109 --> 01:02:39,359
just an example of a type of product and

1731
01:02:42,390 --> 01:02:41,119
there's a lot of different similar

1732
01:02:43,270 --> 01:02:42,400
products that

1733
01:02:45,349 --> 01:02:43,280
make

1734
01:02:47,990 --> 01:02:45,359
almost exactly the same claim even if

1735
01:02:50,230 --> 01:02:48,000
it's a different mechanism and that

1736
01:02:52,150 --> 01:02:50,240
power balance is is like is just used as

1737
01:02:54,069 --> 01:02:52,160
an example in that we mean all these

1738
01:02:56,710 --> 01:02:54,079
other type of products like i renew and

1739
01:02:58,069 --> 01:02:56,720
fighting and and the other ones yes

1740
01:02:59,910 --> 01:02:58,079
we'll be talking about that more in

1741
01:03:01,510 --> 01:02:59,920
depth next week but sorry rachel yes

1742
01:03:03,270 --> 01:03:01,520
these uh

1743
01:03:05,430 --> 01:03:03,280
chiropractors yeah so this was the first

1744
01:03:08,230 --> 01:03:05,440
scientific study to come out and um it

1745
01:03:09,510 --> 01:03:08,240
was 42 subjects double blind crossover

1746
01:03:12,789 --> 01:03:09,520
control

1747
01:03:15,190 --> 01:03:12,799
where they had three different types of

1748
01:03:17,270 --> 01:03:15,200
bands a placebo one with a

1749
01:03:18,710 --> 01:03:17,280
the normal one so a holographic band

1750
01:03:21,029 --> 01:03:18,720
whatever that might be whether that's an

1751
01:03:22,710 --> 01:03:21,039
akin band or a power balance band

1752
01:03:24,630 --> 01:03:22,720
and then one where the hologram was

1753
01:03:26,069 --> 01:03:24,640
taken out and just a metal thing of the

1754
01:03:27,910 --> 01:03:26,079
same weight put in

1755
01:03:29,589 --> 01:03:27,920
anyway are they i'm going to talk to the

1756
01:03:31,190 --> 01:03:29,599
authors next week

1757
01:03:33,270 --> 01:03:31,200
about the results but basically they

1758
01:03:35,510 --> 01:03:33,280
showed that there was no difference

1759
01:03:37,190 --> 01:03:35,520
in improving balance with

1760
01:03:39,190 --> 01:03:37,200
the expensive

1761
01:03:41,270 --> 01:03:39,200
power balance type holographic band

1762
01:03:43,430 --> 01:03:41,280
versus the placebo but the thing that's

1763
01:03:45,589 --> 01:03:43,440
so sweet about this is when it was

1764
01:03:47,589 --> 01:03:45,599
tested using science it came back and

1765
01:03:49,750 --> 01:03:47,599
bit them on the ass

1766
01:03:52,950 --> 01:03:49,760
and to me that's just like

1767
01:03:55,990 --> 01:03:52,960
oh dear how you liking science now power

1768
01:03:58,150 --> 01:03:56,000
balance not so much speaking about being

1769
01:04:00,230 --> 01:03:58,160
bitten on the ask dr he if you could

1770
01:04:02,870 --> 01:04:00,240
just um

1771
01:04:04,470 --> 01:04:02,880
a brief overview of your uh blog post on

1772
01:04:06,789 --> 01:04:04,480
the skeptics book of poopoo which i've

1773
01:04:09,670 --> 01:04:06,799
linked to in the newsletter about poor

1774
01:04:11,510 --> 01:04:09,680
old andrew wakefield oh poor andy pandy

1775
01:04:13,190 --> 01:04:11,520
i used to when people used to say is not

1776
01:04:14,630 --> 01:04:13,200
a doctor i used to defend him and say no

1777
01:04:17,510 --> 01:04:14,640
he still has a medical degree and you

1778
01:04:18,710 --> 01:04:17,520
can't take that away from him

1779
01:04:21,270 --> 01:04:18,720
i'm not going to bother to do that

1780
01:04:24,150 --> 01:04:21,280
anymore he's a fraudulent

1781
01:04:26,069 --> 01:04:24,160
so-and-so so and so um

1782
01:04:27,990 --> 01:04:26,079
he's it was reported last week on

1783
01:04:30,789 --> 01:04:28,000
twitter and this was sent out by at dr

1784
01:04:32,870 --> 01:04:30,799
blogs and retweeted by seth moonkin who

1785
01:04:35,190 --> 01:04:32,880
wrote the book the panic virus

1786
01:04:37,029 --> 01:04:35,200
uh he's now gone into

1787
01:04:39,349 --> 01:04:37,039
minneapolis

1788
01:04:41,430 --> 01:04:39,359
and he's trying to recruit

1789
01:04:43,430 --> 01:04:41,440
patients who are autistic from the

1790
01:04:44,390 --> 01:04:43,440
somali community in this area because

1791
01:04:46,230 --> 01:04:44,400
it's been

1792
01:04:47,750 --> 01:04:46,240
shown in some sort of population studies

1793
01:04:49,829 --> 01:04:47,760
that they seem to have a higher

1794
01:04:51,430 --> 01:04:49,839
incidence of autism and it's not yet

1795
01:04:53,109 --> 01:04:51,440
known whether that might be related to

1796
01:04:55,430 --> 01:04:53,119
their diet or their genetics or whether

1797
01:04:57,190 --> 01:04:55,440
they just send their kids to

1798
01:04:59,750 --> 01:04:57,200
certain types of schools where they're

1799
01:05:01,589 --> 01:04:59,760
identified so it might be increased

1800
01:05:03,910 --> 01:05:01,599
reporting if you like

1801
01:05:05,430 --> 01:05:03,920
so there is going to be a study done by

1802
01:05:06,870 --> 01:05:05,440
the national institute for health and

1803
01:05:07,829 --> 01:05:06,880
the cdc

1804
01:05:09,349 --> 01:05:07,839
but

1805
01:05:11,430 --> 01:05:09,359
wakefield found out about this and i

1806
01:05:13,589 --> 01:05:11,440
believe this is through jb hanley who's

1807
01:05:15,430 --> 01:05:13,599
the guy that runs age of autism

1808
01:05:17,510 --> 01:05:15,440
he went down there and did a speech at a

1809
01:05:19,109 --> 01:05:17,520
restaurant to a hundred parents and said

1810
01:05:22,069 --> 01:05:19,119
i'm going to offer

1811
01:05:23,670 --> 01:05:22,079
hyperbaric chamber therapy for your kids

1812
01:05:25,430 --> 01:05:23,680
with autism and i want to study them and

1813
01:05:26,789 --> 01:05:25,440
come and sign up here

1814
01:05:29,109 --> 01:05:26,799
i mean they're starting off in the most

1815
01:05:31,109 --> 01:05:29,119
professional manner they possibly can

1816
01:05:33,430 --> 01:05:31,119
and if you don't see any sarcasm in that

1817
01:05:35,029 --> 01:05:33,440
last comment you're completely blind so

1818
01:05:36,950 --> 01:05:35,039
people can read a lot more about that at

1819
01:05:40,230 --> 01:05:36,960
school sorry yeah so i've blogged that

1820
01:05:41,829 --> 01:05:40,240
um under not a dr wakefield on my blog

1821
01:05:44,630 --> 01:05:41,839
which the link is in the newsletter

1822
01:05:45,589 --> 01:05:44,640
because i mean this guy just

1823
01:05:48,309 --> 01:05:45,599
i mean

1824
01:05:50,230 --> 01:05:48,319
seriously like just space bombing i am

1825
01:05:51,670 --> 01:05:50,240
face palming with two hands even the way

1826
01:05:54,150 --> 01:05:51,680
they're starting off this study wouldn't

1827
01:05:55,829 --> 01:05:54,160
get past any medical ethical boards

1828
01:05:57,109 --> 01:05:55,839
but but this is the thing we don't know

1829
01:05:58,710 --> 01:05:57,119
where he's getting the money from we

1830
01:06:00,870 --> 01:05:58,720
don't know who's doing who's going to

1831
01:06:03,270 --> 01:06:00,880
actually do the study because wayfield

1832
01:06:05,270 --> 01:06:03,280
surely isn't allowed to do that the nih

1833
01:06:07,270 --> 01:06:05,280
and cdsc is completely separate

1834
01:06:09,589 --> 01:06:07,280
so wakefield's just taken upon himself

1835
01:06:11,750 --> 01:06:09,599
to go down there and say ho ho ho ho i'm

1836
01:06:13,670 --> 01:06:11,760
andy pandy you know

1837
01:06:15,670 --> 01:06:13,680
and it's just

1838
01:06:17,430 --> 01:06:15,680
i mean that the guy just needs to leave

1839
01:06:19,109 --> 01:06:17,440
kids alone i mean seriously there should

1840
01:06:20,710 --> 01:06:19,119
be a restraining order against him or

1841
01:06:22,549 --> 01:06:20,720
something you know he shouldn't be

1842
01:06:25,029 --> 01:06:22,559
allowed near children that's not a bad

1843
01:06:27,190 --> 01:06:25,039
that's not a bad point dr h anyway folks

1844
01:06:29,430 --> 01:06:27,200
there is a link and a little bit more

1845
01:06:30,710 --> 01:06:29,440
information if you subscribe to the

1846
01:06:33,270 --> 01:06:30,720
skeptic zone newsletter at www

1847
01:06:35,430 --> 01:06:33,280
www.skipxon.tv

1848
01:06:37,990 --> 01:06:35,440
or head straight to the skeptic's book

1849
01:06:39,750 --> 01:06:38,000
blog or just google skepticsbook and

1850
01:06:41,990 --> 01:06:39,760
they'll find your blog

1851
01:06:43,829 --> 01:06:42,000
now oh can i just say quickly yeah it's

1852
01:06:46,549 --> 01:06:43,839
been receiving a lot of ddos attacks

1853
01:06:48,150 --> 01:06:46,559
recently yes it has hasn't it

1854
01:06:49,750 --> 01:06:48,160
you're being interested

1855
01:06:52,549 --> 01:06:49,760
it keeps going down

1856
01:06:54,390 --> 01:06:52,559
and um it was after the whole wakefield

1857
01:06:55,829 --> 01:06:54,400
as a fraud thing came out in the bmj a

1858
01:06:59,750 --> 01:06:55,839
few weeks ago

1859
01:07:02,390 --> 01:06:59,760
it seemed we we found one post on a

1860
01:07:05,349 --> 01:07:02,400
anti-vaxx mailing list from

1861
01:07:07,510 --> 01:07:05,359
a homeopath who we know

1862
01:07:09,750 --> 01:07:07,520
who was saying that um sherry naken

1863
01:07:11,510 --> 01:07:09,760
she's the hanamanian homeopath which was

1864
01:07:13,510 --> 01:07:11,520
directing a lot of people on that list

1865
01:07:15,910 --> 01:07:13,520
to go to specific blogs and just bombard

1866
01:07:18,069 --> 01:07:15,920
them i wasn't on that list but a friend

1867
01:07:19,750 --> 01:07:18,079
of mine has looked at the the hits and

1868
01:07:22,069 --> 01:07:19,760
said that it's a it's a it's a

1869
01:07:23,829 --> 01:07:22,079
half-assed ddos attack and we think it

1870
01:07:25,270 --> 01:07:23,839
might be something to do with the whole

1871
01:07:27,270 --> 01:07:25,280
wakefield as a fraud thing but i don't

1872
01:07:29,190 --> 01:07:27,280
i'm just speculating but the blog has

1873
01:07:30,789 --> 01:07:29,200
been going up and down all right yeah

1874
01:07:32,549 --> 01:07:30,799
it's up at the moment i'm pretty sure it

1875
01:07:36,630 --> 01:07:32,559
is yeah skeptics book folks one of the

1876
01:07:38,230 --> 01:07:36,640
best uh logs on the planet now we better

1877
01:07:40,630 --> 01:07:38,240
wrap it up pretty soon because i noticed

1878
01:07:42,309 --> 01:07:40,640
my battery to travis is running out

1879
01:07:44,630 --> 01:07:42,319
which isn't a good thing but may not i

1880
01:07:46,150 --> 01:07:44,640
know you wanted to mention a few of your

1881
01:07:48,309 --> 01:07:46,160
podcasts there oh look there's just a

1882
01:07:50,309 --> 01:07:48,319
few things that are coming up um in the

1883
01:07:51,910 --> 01:07:50,319
i've uh after the if you were jessica

1884
01:07:54,950 --> 01:07:51,920
i'm thinking wow how am i going to top

1885
01:07:57,109 --> 01:07:54,960
that one but we've got the local uh guys

1886
01:07:58,950 --> 01:07:57,119
the mysterious universe podcast now they

1887
01:08:01,430 --> 01:07:58,960
deal with a lot of unusual stuff and

1888
01:08:02,549 --> 01:08:01,440
they they the aaron and ben that do that

1889
01:08:04,630 --> 01:08:02,559
they they've got their own little

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production studio at mysterious city at

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crow's nest there it's a very

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professional production they haven't got

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although neither has this episode

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actually so no not yet but um i've got

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to say i'm going to pop over have a chat

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to them and so check out mysterious

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universe and the way they work their

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financial model of their podcast is you

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get the first half of the podcast free

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and if you're a subscriber you get the

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second half so i think that's something

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i'm not a bad way of doing it people

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paid more they can get more of more

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maynard's uh madness or something or

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something like that that's madness and

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of course and thank you from with the

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kind comments about the douglas adams

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interview that i've got up at maynard's

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malays that's maynard.com that's worth

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checking out i'd like to thank travis

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for putting me on to professor elemental

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now there's a great uh video for

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professor he does uh uh chap hop which

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is hip-hop done by uh i imagine a

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sherlock holmes type character would

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that be right travis

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yes

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and uh i think the standout track is my

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fighting trousers look for my fighting

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trousers by professor elemental because

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apparently he has a degree and you can't

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take it away from him professor

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elemental at uh on it's fantastic and

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also yeah the other the other really

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good one that he did was um

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a cup of the brown stuff which is about

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tea oh it's all about his tea addiction

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oh tea addiction

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and also um i must say with gary the

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food inspector that we had on a few

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weeks ago wasn't he great that was great

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and and he said he really wants to come

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along to any skeptics in the pub and

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have a chat with you he'd be more than

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happy to come along and talk about food

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safety and take questions because he's

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he's arrived

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any man who knows his salami is that

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well as a friend of mine well look at

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that yeah um i agree

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i concur and that interview got a run on

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three platforms you would not normally

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expect uh we got that on on the abc

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normally uh we've got that on the

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skeptic zone and no agenda around a

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little bit of it as well

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because they are very pr they're get

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that they're they're for salami

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deregulation and you see and uh and they

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also they're interested in they

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corrected me that fluoride is not a mind

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control drug it is in fact uh it just

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makes you docile

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must apologize to everyone for getting

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that incorrect how do you take fluoride

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so it makes your docile you just drink

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the water without filtering it

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i'm gonna be drinking something else i'm

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i'll write that down it's called a soft

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drink

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and uh james and just one more last

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thing um a lot of people know skeptic

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bros the guys behind the placebo bands

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well they've started doing a lot more

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blogging on the website and they've also

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hired a couple more brothers to join

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them as well really so if you check out

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their website there'll be a lot more

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blog posts there while you're waiting

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for some more placebo bands to be

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ordered and sent out

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skepticbros.com ladies and gentlemen

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skepticpros.com

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make it your next site you visit and if

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you and you've got any questions for the

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mysterious universe guys when i talk to

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them just send them in here

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i'd like to thank everybody for coming

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along here tonight to our favorite club

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down the street especially to travis roy

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who's made it all the way here from new

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hampshire yeah yeah

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i'd like to thank james for coming along

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thanks everyone and maynard

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thank you very much i've got my fighting

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trousers on now your pajama jeeps

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i'm going home to put on my snuggie and

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your and your pyjama jeans at the same

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time yes and my those pants things are i

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don't know what they're called whatever

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on friday the 11th of march 2011 joined

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the canberra skeptics as they present a

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lecture

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vaccines in peril by ken mcleod

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this will be held at the lecture theater

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innovations building

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australian national university for more

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information

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head to meetup.com

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social skeptics canberra

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the melbourne skeptics is an exciting

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new initiative aiming to promote

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critical thinking and skeptical activism

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in melbourne across australia and around

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the globe their official launch party

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will be happening at the inaugural

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skeptics in the pub meeting 6 30 pm on

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monday january 31st at the james squire

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brew house in waterfront city docklands

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following that they'll be coordinating

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the melbourne contingent for the

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worldwide 1023 campaign on february the

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fifth

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you can read more about melbourne

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skeptics at www

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or find them on twitter

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at melb

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you know richie when i was about i don't

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know six i actually believed in

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astrology really yeah someone told me i

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was an aquarius and i i i took the whole

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thing in i i took on the identity and

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everything so you know i was astounded

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wasn't that an interesting interview

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yeah to find that someone still believes

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you're going to write into the comments

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page and then uh well look at her

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arguments and give us uh some opinions

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there i think there's nothing wrong with

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dissecting it and pulling it apart and

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stitching it all back up together back

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up together again in a frankenstein kind

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of way i think i think that's absolutely

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right and as i said in the think tank as

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long as the cons the your comments are

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polite but straight forward then they'll

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get a go yeah

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yeah we want intelligent discourse i

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mean it's it one thing about this it's

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easy for both sides of any debate or any

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sort of uh perspective just to sort of

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bag each other and that but we actually

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want like intelligent debate and

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discussion and and actually part of the

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whole skeptic um philosophy is to is to

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try and actually tease it out and come

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up with really good convincing arguments

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to dispel some of these things so yeah

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if you really if you think oh that's

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just a whole lot of croc well we want to

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say well

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can can you explain it to someone so

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they may actually change their mind as i

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did when i was six years old that's

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right which was just my mum's going

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don't be stupid

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but now another great show richard you

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should be proud of yourself oh thank you

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stefan and thank you to listeners who

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are signing up in droves to our

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newsletter oh yeah that's right we got a

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new newsletter haven't we newsletter

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yeah but via skepticzone.tv extra bits

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of information to do with the show and

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thank you to everybody i'm i'm always

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thanking people for helping to chip in

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for a new microphone for dr raichi we're

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going to be going out to buy one pretty

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soon well uh yeah we look it is a bit of

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a sort of a labor of love around here so

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any help at all helps helps the quality

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helps the whole skeptical thing so yeah

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we're really happy and helps us by

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generate mama wong's where we record the

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skeptic the think tank

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oh yummy yummy all right well richard

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another great one thanks dad i hope to

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come back more often this year i mean

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yeah i'm back working hard again but uh

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but i i've taken the weekends off now so

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i'm going to spend more time being

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skeptical we want more of dr stefan oh

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yeah and more theme songs that's right

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you've been listening to the skeptic

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